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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by Drdrdrq »

seg_lol wrote: post #394
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #335

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microSD cards don't really cut it for a general-purpose desktop in terms of lifespan and reliability and SSD over USB is an awkward workaround at best. Hopefully the RPi 5 will have NVMe or a SATA port at least.

I believe a CM4 module could fit in the same space. They were probably developed in parallel, so they couldn't afford to gate the Pi 400 on the CM4 timelines. Also, don't under estimate the performance of future SD cards. v0, get it shipped v1, improve

The issue with SD cards is not performance, it is longevity. I threw away more SD cards than I care to admit. :-/

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by kevinpet »

leoc wrote: post #429
sbuk wrote: post #420

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I'd assert that TV's are commonplace. This, just like the BBC Micro, ZX80/1 and C64, can easily be used with a TV.

The reason that the old '80s microcomputers were often plugged into TVs was that monitors were too expensive. Sharing the TV with every other device and person in the house was a necessary evil. TV-hogging is probably about as problematic now as it was then, while displays are much less expensive. So including a screen makes much more sense for a low-cost access-to-computing device these days.

You're replying to a comment about kids trying to distance learning on their parents phone or without a desk. You're missing the point.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by brians »

citrusybread wrote: post #436
cactus2093 wrote: post #409

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> The district couldn't secure all of the necessary Chrome Books, and some students have been left attempting remote learning via their parent's phone, or simply left behind. A cheap mass market device has some truly amazing potential to fill in these gaps at the same time that it enables more advanced S(T)EM learning than you could get with a typical cheap Chrome Book. How many households in this situation have an e…

a pi running linux enables more advanced STEM than a laptop running a locked-down chrome environment. you could just use the pi camera for a webcam, since the port is still there?

I'm told the camera port is not there; you have to use USB.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by NortySpock »

NewOrderNow wrote: post #360
elteto wrote: post #307

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Check your county/state/school auction websites. Hard to give more info, there isn’t just one auction site for all schools or counties, but a bit of googling will probably get you what you want.

How do you find about these auctions? I always here about them in movies, but I have never experienced these real auctions.

A friend pointed me at https://www.govdeals.com (not affiliated) but plugging "government auctions" into Google got me a few hits as well. Not sure about the veracity of all of these sites, but some of them will ship to you.

On the other hand, you're often looking at "Lot of 38 Dell Latitude 5570 Core i7", "These items have been used by students or employees within a professional Community College environment. Items have been maintained, updated, and well kept.", minimum bid $5,800.00

Or something like "(1) Dell Optiplex 780, bad power supply, pickup in-person only, we don't ship" so you'd have to be in the area and interested in swapping a PSU.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by MayeulC »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #411
filleokus wrote: post #127

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FWIW: Now you can get raw PCI-E access with the Compute Module [0] + IO Board [1], allowing you to put a SSD on there over a robust interface. But yeah, I would also love this to be built in on something like the RPI. Closest option according to my research is probably the Rock Pi, but then it's not really straight forward to boot from it etc... [0]: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-4/ [1]: https:/…

I know relatively little about the Compute Modules... Are there any decent "racks" for these that would allow you to assemble many of them into a single unit?

Well, at least Pine64 makes one. I have no idea if those are pin-compatible with Pi compute module, though.

https://www.pine64.org/clusterboard/

It's a bit sad the Pi foundation dropped the DDR form factor, though, it was a good idea IMO.

For this, they could have gone with an EOMA68 form-factor, that would have been awesome: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by pharke »

baq wrote: post #428
ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

...I don't know. I mean, I've had an Atari 65XE myself when I was a kid, but tvs are much bigger nowadays, less accessible and HDMI cables are much more difficult to run through the room (stiffness and length limits are real issues); OTOH keyboards and mice are easy to come by. The hard part of the Pi is the display. The kit also doesn't include a cam nor a headset, nor even a mic. This is super important for online…

I don't know if the monitor is as big of an issue, a quick search on walmart.com yields their cheapest option at $69.99 for a 19". That's if you have to buy one new. I'm sure the local craigslist would have second hand TVs with HDMI in. A lot of households already have multiple, cheap flatscreens. If we narrow the discussion to only those who cannot afford or do not have any of the above then I think we're also talking about the same group of people that would not be able to afford the Pi400 at its current price. It would be more beneficial (and probably cheaper) to focus on making aid available for them to obtain what they need rather than redesigning the system.

The webcam is a different issue, there doesn't appear to be much for a plug and play option for the Pi. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

If these were to be used as an option for remote education, I would hope that the same organization promoting them would also sell a kit with the system preconfigured to use an included webcam.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by m463 »

kiddico wrote: post #443
onesun wrote: post #380

My only wish for v2.0 of this would be an integrated touchpad so I don't have to use a separate mouse. Similar to a Logitech K400 wireless keyboard. I don't know how many times I've been in a situation where it's challenging to find a surface to use a mouse on when I'm working on a Pi project. Workshop, electronics bench, just doing something real quick on my lap, etc.

If we're making a wishlist for v2 we may as well put "full sized hdmi ports" on there.

I agree. That seems like a wasted opportunity for the form factor change -- at least one full-sized hdmi port would have been a great idea.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by bee_rider »

leoc wrote: post #429
sbuk wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd assert that TV's are commonplace. This, just like the BBC Micro, ZX80/1 and C64, can easily be used with a TV.

The reason that the old '80s microcomputers were often plugged into TVs was that monitors were too expensive. Sharing the TV with every other device and person in the house was a necessary evil. TV-hogging is probably about as problematic now as it was then, while displays are much less expensive. So including a screen makes much more sense for a low-cost access-to-computing device these days.

In this particular moment, it might not be so bad for many use cases -- school hours are usually times when people are working anyway, so it isn't as if parents will be sitting around watching TV. Plus, it isn't like the goal here is just to goof off and play games, the kid is 1) learning 2) distracted. Seems like a pretty good tradeoff.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by bee_rider »

leoc wrote: post #452
centimeter wrote: post #442

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Having a flatscreen TV is a very high priority for poor people in the US.

Sharing a TV with everyone and everything else in the house is far from ideal. A good number of home-computer users did it in the '80s, but only out of necessity. You need multiple fully-working TVs knocking about the house before giving one over to a computer is likely to be no problem, and that's probably a lot less universal.

Our TV sits unused during work hours for the most part, I think this is less of an issue than people are making it out to be.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by moron4hire »

cactus2093 wrote: post #409
ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

> The district couldn't secure all of the necessary Chrome Books, and some students have been left attempting remote learning via their parent's phone, or simply left behind. A cheap mass market device has some truly amazing potential to fill in these gaps at the same time that it enables more advanced S(T)EM learning than you could get with a typical cheap Chrome Book. How many households in this situation have an e…

Hopefully, people will figure out that a lot of 2nd hand stores have a lot of used monitors for sale that just sit around forever.
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