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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by justin66 »

qwertox wrote: post #152
ejolto wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you're not the target audience for a RPi. They are meant to be cheap computers for "the promotion of teaching basic computer science in schools and in developing countries"[0]. Adding NVMe support would increase the price. There are alternatives to RPi that do what you want, odroid-h2plus for example. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi

If would make sense to be able to attach a $25 32GB SSD to the bottom of a RPI. Then add some kind of a U-shaped connector to connect the RPI to the SSD and a place for the screws, so that they are fixed back to back.

If only there were some kind of bus that were universally available so we wouldn't need such an awful, hacky solution. Something capable of transferring all that data serially.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by 908B64B197 »

geerlingguy wrote: post #13

I was lucky to get a pre-release version to test, and I decided to tear it down before I started trying it out. I posted this blog post with detailed pictures of the insides, and some more details and performance benchmarks: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-tear... There are also a couple videos linked in the post, if you're more visually-inclined. Fun fact: the Pi 400 (and Compute Module 4) bo…

> Fun fact: the Pi 400 (and Compute Module 4) both have newer revisions of the BCM2711 SoC (C0 instead of B0), and that's part of the reason the clock speed is higher on the Pi 400 (1.8 GHz) than on the regular Pi 4 model B (1.5 GHz)—the newer revision apparently handles faster clocks and scaling with less heat than the older revision.

Reading your article

> the Pi 400 didn't overheat even when I was running it with an overclock to 2.147 GHz, the maximum it allows currently

This only makes me wish they sold an 800 version with 8 GB of RAM, just like the Pi 4.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by alphaomegacode »

MarcScott wrote: post #28
alphaomegacode wrote: post #2

Truly amazing how the Raspberry Pi team keeps innovating. As far as I know, they're not a billion dollar company yet they keep innovating by making better Pi's and continuously upgrading the builder/user experience. Congratulations to Upton and team!

You're right. The Raspberry Pi Foundation is an educational charity. We're funded, in the main, by the sales of Raspberry Pi hardware. That the hardware and software engineers at Raspberry Pi Trading can keep innovating and producing such amazing products, astounds me.

The pleasant surprise is you all make improvements to the hardware and the software that really enhance the experience.

Nowadays, leading billion dollar tech companies often come out with upgrades that highlight being a few microns thinner and camera resolution without really launching actual innovative products or without enhancing the user experience.

Thank you.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by alphaomegacode »

kzrdude wrote: post #16
alphaomegacode wrote: post #2

Truly amazing how the Raspberry Pi team keeps innovating. As far as I know, they're not a billion dollar company yet they keep innovating by making better Pi's and continuously upgrading the builder/user experience. Congratulations to Upton and team!

They are a non-profit, aren't they?

I'm assuming they are and that makes it even more amazing I think.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by citrusybread »

cactus2093 wrote: post #409
ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

> The district couldn't secure all of the necessary Chrome Books, and some students have been left attempting remote learning via their parent's phone, or simply left behind. A cheap mass market device has some truly amazing potential to fill in these gaps at the same time that it enables more advanced S(T)EM learning than you could get with a typical cheap Chrome Book. How many households in this situation have an e…

a pi running linux enables more advanced STEM than a laptop running a locked-down chrome environment.

you could just use the pi camera for a webcam, since the port is still there?

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by cbozeman »

ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

My first computer was a CRT monitor / tower bundle from Sam's Club (back when it really was a warehouse club). 15" CTX monitor with a Pentium 75 mHz CPU, 8 MB of RAM, 540 MB hard drive, and I believe a 2 or 4x CD-ROM. Of course, it had a 3.5" drive.

$1499. In 1994.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by AlanYx »

leoncvlt wrote: post #88

How do I play sounds with this? I see no jack for speakers or headphones. I assume one could have sound over HDMI but monitors with built-in speakers are not very common.

You can use a USB audio dongle. Just to take one example, the Apple USB-C audio dongle is only $8 and has extremely good measured performance: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/r...

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by kllrnohj »

slightwinder wrote: post #294
minerjoe wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

E-waste is a massive problem nowadays. Why not assemble the lab out of "old" computers? They might take a bit more electricity to run, but, at least in the US, you can get truckloads of computers that were destined for the scrapyard, for free. One local school here threw away 50+ small dell quad-core i5's in their quest to make sure they spend their money wisely. I've assembled a small lab, with many computers, laser…

Old Computers are usually rather big, heavy and a bit limited in their ability in terms of interfaces. Like they often have no sd-card-slot, bluetooth or wifi. And yes, they need more power. This RP400 is small, can be taken everywhere by kids, has all necessary interfaces to make something funny and can on worst even run from a manual energy-source (which of course is more relevant for a poorer country than a rich c…

> This RP400 is small, can be taken everywhere by kids

Not usefully it can't. There's no display, so that "everywhere" is restricted to places that have an HDMI display just hanging out. Which is then a vanishingly small number of places. And since we're talking about kids - places with a front panel HDMI port, which is even rarer. Or you have to pair it with a portable monitor, in which case you spent as much as an entry level laptop and got something worse in return.

This is a cute little toy, and I want one, but that's all it is - a toy. Same as all the RPI's before. Good intro to hobby electronics programming with the GPIO, but not a disruptive entry-level computing experience, either. That place remains in the realm of the ultra-budget laptops, as they require no existing infrastructure.

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