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South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by mrfox321 »

staticautomatic wrote: post #46
stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

I’ve said it here before and I’ll say it again: Audio and video evidence isn't admissible because it's audio or video (and may be inadmissible nonetheless). It's admissible because someone testifies under oath that they have personal knowledge of its provenance. The burden is on the party introducing the evidence to show that it's reliable, and the question of whether or not it is indeed reliable is a factual one for…

But the jury are humans. Should we be confident that a jury of 12 (if in US) can pretend that really convincing deepfakes should not be trusted? Especially when this form of evidence has been trustworthy for a decent chunk of time?

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by toxik »

chaoticmass wrote: post #88

I don't find the idea very funny or entertaining. If you have a funny parody show or something, it should be funny and entertaining without deep fakery. This seems like a gimmick that won't last long. Maybe it will do some good in bringing the issues of deep fakes into the wider public conversation though.

I don't find the idea of poorly drawn cartoons funny by itself either, it's just a technique. It'll probably look pretty crappy most of the time. I imagine it'll be like South Park, as frequently has actual people in it, doing... odd things.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by 0xffff2 »

hospadar wrote: post #57

This is SO GREAT! I often feel deep existential dread about deepfakes and the lag between when they are viable (now) and when everyone stops trusting video that doesn't have some kind of rock-solid signed/encrypted/testified provenance (years from now or never?). What better way to educate the public about deepfake technology than with over-the top satire?

>years from now or never?

I really don't think this is true. I hear stories about deepfakes on NPR pretty regularly. It would be very strange if a subject that has managed to gain some mainstream media traction was never internalized by a large percentage of the general public.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by newhacker2719 »

chaoticmass wrote: post #88

I don't find the idea very funny or entertaining. If you have a funny parody show or something, it should be funny and entertaining without deep fakery. This seems like a gimmick that won't last long. Maybe it will do some good in bringing the issues of deep fakes into the wider public conversation though.

I think it's great, there is no problem with deep fakes as long as it is clear they are fakes. The entire political class including their donors are godawful and deserve to be made fun of.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by cm2187 »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #50
stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

> It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. You cannot underestimate the global political ramifications of this. If you think the amount of video manipulation was bad enough this c…

The other way round. Any shocking video trending on twitter will start with a -100 credibility as people will think "just another deepfake".

You are assuming people will have never heard of these deepfakes. Sure there are still a few grannies today who have never heard of photoshop. But your average twitter user?

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by [deleted] »

munk-a wrote: post #87
lkxijlewlf wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This works in a courtroom. This won't work for a politician who retweets a faked video that then incites real violence. And that , at least for now, is where we truly need to be concerned.

It doesn't work right now due to the partisan divide in America. Spreading misinformation to help your party's cause isn't currently looked down on - so, honestly, having deepfakes out there might not hurt much and might at least help reduce the weight that blatantly doctored videos carry with the general populace.

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Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by dleslie »

zeroping wrote: post #23
tremon wrote: post #3

Regardless of the actual content or quality of the show, I hope this reaches a wide audience. All people should know about the technical capabilities of deepfakes.

Is this a method to innoculate the viewer against deepfakes? I wonder if part of thief goal is to specifically make people more aware?

Matt and Trey usually have an interesting side project on the go; where South Park pays the bills, shows like The Book of Mormon and Sassy Justice are their creative expression.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by blonde_ocean »

sega_sai wrote: post #82

Is there some kind of private/public key signing technique for videos, when the camera creating a video signs it with some key providing a signature that can be verified for authenticity ? so you would be able to at least verify that the video was created at certain date on a certain camera ?

The toughest issue here, IMO, is being able to sign and authenticate a document without proprietary DRM. Been thinking about this a lot.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lkxijlewlf wrote: post #77
staticautomatic wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve said it here before and I’ll say it again: Audio and video evidence isn't admissible because it's audio or video (and may be inadmissible nonetheless). It's admissible because someone testifies under oath that they have personal knowledge of its provenance. The burden is on the party introducing the evidence to show that it's reliable, and the question of whether or not it is indeed reliable is a factual one for…

This works in a courtroom. This won't work for a politician who retweets a faked video that then incites real violence. And that , at least for now, is where we truly need to be concerned.

> This works in a courtroom.

Does it though?

Suppose there is a theft at a company. The police go to the company's security team and get the surveillance footage. Presumably admissible.

If it was an inside job, the surveillance footage could be a deepfake showing someone else committing the crime. Or maybe it's real surveillance footage. Without some way to distinguish the two, how do you know?

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