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South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by usrusr »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

> This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not.

Well, something really bad is definitely ahead with fake videos (as if real videos, with significantly meaning-changing omissions made with the plain old cutting process weren't bad enough) and people with high visibility creating awareness by doing it in the open is the closest thing to a defense that we have. It's a hopelessly weak defense but better than nothing.

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Post by hugi »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

It’s not bad, it’s inevitable and it’s nice we have some light shed on it. Stupid people will no doubt try to “ban deepfakes”, but we are going to have to learn to live with them.

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Post by m_ke »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

I recommend watching Adam Curtis' documentary called Hypernormalisation to get a sense of how badly this can get abused by political operatives. Especially this clip: https://youtu.be/Y5ubluwNkqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM

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Post by tsomctl »

yalogin wrote: post #4

Deepfakes have the potential to turn the word upside down and cause utter chaos in the world. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it as a society, I think we are not equipped for it. In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

Create short deepfakes that can go viral and be so ridiculous that they're both entertaining and obviously fake. Obama advocating for a border wall. Al Gore lobbying for the oil industry. Steve Jobs advising against staring at a screen all day.

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Post by grawprog »

I understand the worries behind deep fakes, but i'm going to be a bit facetious here, hasn't getting the most realistic, lifelike images always been the goal of computer graphics? Wouldn't deepfakes be the ultimate culmination of lifelike CGI. So lifelike it's indistinguishable from the real thing?

Like for most of my life, this is the goal I keep hearing about. Now it's here, suddenly it's too real.

I dunno just seems a bit funny to me. I've never been one of those graphics people myself, but it seems like a case of getting what you asked for, but being upset because it's different to how you expected it was going to be.

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Post by javier123454321 »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

Yes, deepfakes are going to kill plausible deniability in audio and video.

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Post by hospadar »

This is SO GREAT!

I often feel deep existential dread about deepfakes and the lag between when they are viable (now) and when everyone stops trusting video that doesn't have some kind of rock-solid signed/encrypted/testified provenance (years from now or never?).

What better way to educate the public about deepfake technology than with over-the top satire?

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Post by jimkleiber »

staticautomatic wrote: post #46
stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

I’ve said it here before and I’ll say it again: Audio and video evidence isn't admissible because it's audio or video (and may be inadmissible nonetheless). It's admissible because someone testifies under oath that they have personal knowledge of its provenance. The burden is on the party introducing the evidence to show that it's reliable, and the question of whether or not it is indeed reliable is a factual one for…

I appreciate you saying this, I hadn't known that. I think therefore it may be OK in the court of law but what about in the court of public opinion? I could see videos like this easily eroding our trust in the judicial system even further.

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Post by pram »

fredley wrote: post #7

I _think_ that the Michael Cain section is Peter Serafinowicz doing a Michael Cain impression (which has then been deepfaked), but it could be Lyre Bird or similar! The fact that I really can't make my mind up which it could be and the weird sense of doubt, to me, means that this has hit the mark perfectly. I've been thinking about this video a lot since I first saw it. It's genuinely very unsettling.

He also did Michael Cain in his show, it’s extremely spot on.

https://youtu.be/HdBZ3Pg0-OM

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by dchichkov »

grawprog wrote: post #55

I understand the worries behind deep fakes, but i'm going to be a bit facetious here, hasn't getting the most realistic, lifelike images always been the goal of computer graphics? Wouldn't deepfakes be the ultimate culmination of lifelike CGI. So lifelike it's indistinguishable from the real thing? Like for most of my life, this is the goal I keep hearing about. Now it's here, suddenly it's too real. I dunno just see…

Who knows, maybe out of that more attention will be paid to a message, rather than the person. Cults of personality had always been problematic. And, technically, this allows to grab the personality and dissolve the cult.
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