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How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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There is no such thing as a conspiracy theory. Every conspiracy theory in existence can be explained in terms of math, technology, physics, psychology and behavioral biology. They are conspiracy theories because the average person refuses to believe basic science that was discoveres i the early 1900s. It's 2020 and if you use science and technology from the early to mid 1900s in the right way people get confused and…

Right but specifically a conspiracy theory involves malicious and powerful actors.

>A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation

So 5g mind control, moon landing is fake, earth is flat are all examples of conspiracy theories. No matter how much science you apply to demonstrating the theories are incorrect, the conspiracy theorist will simply provide more ways that the lizard people are tricking us. It's irrational by definition.

I stress about this. I encounter plandemic types far too often in texas. I've tried so many different strategies to convince them of the public health crisis, that if they would at least just wear a mask it would help. I never get anywhere. Is this the fatal flaw of the species? Our vulnerability to disinformation? Considering the creation of disinformation can be scaled cheaply to staggering heights, will this halt our progress?

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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The anti-Q articles are out in full force the last few days... Why is this on HN's front page again?

Anyone pro-rationality is anti-q. It's probably on the top of HN because people voted for it.

The software that runs this website is on GitHub, you can go see for yourself.

Or maybe it's the lizard people trying to suppress the truth of q?

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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This doesn't seem to offer insight. It's: 1. Talk to them, for hours if you can. 2. Figure out where they're getting their information and see if it's already been debunked. 3. Don't be a jerk. That's not very much 'how', unfortunately.

Actually, all three of those points are things that people (me included) regularly do wrong/don't do when engaging with conspiracy theorists.

1. Brush claims off as unimportant / ignore their messages in group chats instead of giving contra, leading them to misinterpret silence as tacit agreement.

2. If engaging, doing it very shallowly with platitudes like "check your sources" but never going over concrete examples with them.

3. Being a jerk about it.

Edit: not advocating/demanding you do all three every time you spot someone BSing on the webs. We all only get 24h a day. But if it's someone close to you and you're really concerned, all these three are good things to keep in mind and easy to do wrong, especially when things get heated.

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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This doesn't seem to offer insight. It's: 1. Talk to them, for hours if you can. 2. Figure out where they're getting their information and see if it's already been debunked. 3. Don't be a jerk. That's not very much 'how', unfortunately.

But it's something that most of these disproportionately basement-dwelling isolatees don't get, though. I mean, no, it's not a surprise to say that people who gravitate to very online centers of disinformation tend to be socially isolated. But even so, treating the isolation is a feasible thing.

Stated more scientifically: the hypothesis here is that isolation causes conspiracy mania. So treat the isolation. Most people don't do this, we just yell at or about these folks online.

Seems like it's worth a shot to me.

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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There is no such thing as a conspiracy theory. Every conspiracy theory in existence can be explained in terms of math, technology, physics, psychology and behavioral biology. They are conspiracy theories because the average person refuses to believe basic science that was discoveres i the early 1900s. It's 2020 and if you use science and technology from the early to mid 1900s in the right way people get confused and…

BS.

The US Govt reading middle-manning internet connections was pants-on-head stupid conspiracy theory until Snowden

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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Many of the behaviors associated with followers of conspiracy theories sound like behaviors associated with addiction disorders and abuse victims much like people susceptible to joining a cult. Some of those behaviors include socially isolated belief systems, security reenforcement, gullibility, loss of identity, loss of independent reasoning, and so forth.

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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>Are they quoting a fringe YouTube video (which may have been fact-checked and debunked)

We have got to get away from this idea that you can "debunk" something with some authoritative source of truth. That is just not how reality works, and the idea that you can "fact check" and "debunk" your way to a healthy, functioning system of rhetoric is absurd.

NO argument has EVER been won by somebody pointing to a third party "fact checker", and honestly the idea that there is some infallible arbiter sounds like it is lifted directly from an Orwell novel.

Re: How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories

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post #9

The anti-Q articles are out in full force the last few days... Why is this on HN's front page again?

Anyone pro-rationality is anti-q. It's probably on the top of HN because people voted for it. The software that runs this website is on GitHub, you can go see for yourself. Or maybe it's the lizard people trying to suppress the truth of q?

>Or maybe it's the lizard people trying to suppress the truth of q?

What purpose does mocking this person's question serve? Do you think you're going to convince them of something by making fun of them?

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