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South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by stanrivers »

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not.

It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation.

Worst part is that eventually even the AI-powered counter measures are going to fail eventually. The moment a computer knows what gives away a hint that it is a deepfakes and not real, a computer can solve to not present that give away. The “good guys” and “bad guys” will iterate with each other until it is perfected.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

#12

Post by Robotbeat »

MadSudaca wrote: post #9
yalogin wrote: post #4

Deepfakes have the potential to turn the word upside down and cause utter chaos in the world. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it as a society, I think we are not equipped for it. In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

I hold a similar view. In my opinion Deepfakes will help accelerate the end of the democracy experiment, and you know what? good riddance. Only people that know you on, at least, a last name basis, should have political power over you.

If you think the end of democracy will mean the end of people having power over you who don't know your name, I have some really bad news.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

But you can say "we have emails where he admits to doing this" in a court room, even though emails can be trivially faked. You just have to provide information about how you got the emails and how you know they're authentic. Is there a reason to expect video will be more problematic as it becomes easier to fake?

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by LanceH »

Robotbeat wrote: post #12
MadSudaca wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold a similar view. In my opinion Deepfakes will help accelerate the end of the democracy experiment, and you know what? good riddance. Only people that know you on, at least, a last name basis, should have political power over you.

If you think the end of democracy will mean the end of people having power over you who don't know your name, I have some really bad news.

The governments will get it right this time. They just need absolutely authority to ensure it goes smoothly for everyone.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by conception »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

Maybe... photoshop detection hasn’t gone down that path as far as I know. I would imagine the problems of hiding detection in video to be a magnitude harder to hide?

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by csmattryder »

yalogin wrote: post #4

Deepfakes have the potential to turn the word upside down and cause utter chaos in the world. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it as a society, I think we are not equipped for it. In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

In the early days, you could spot one by the lack of blinking because the model was trained on open-eyed images. Not sure if that's still the case, I'd be surprised if it was.

Any time I see a "this is peak technology" comment, I'm always reminded of the PC gaming magazine cover showing the first Unreal game's graphics ("Yes, that's an actual PC screenshot!").

It looks awful now, but in the nineties, it blew us all away.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/5b/d9/d15bd9f544e6fd4bf740...

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

#17

Post by metalliqaz »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

The synthetic media apocalypse is even worse then these examples. The ability for liberal democracy to exist at all is highly in doubt. We need serious leadership to be attacking this problem head-on. Instead, I'm pretty sure that our current administration (in the US but also elsewhere) only see it as a welcome propaganda tool.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by Veen »

MadSudaca wrote: post #9
yalogin wrote: post #4

Deepfakes have the potential to turn the word upside down and cause utter chaos in the world. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it as a society, I think we are not equipped for it. In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

I hold a similar view. In my opinion Deepfakes will help accelerate the end of the democracy experiment, and you know what? good riddance. Only people that know you on, at least, a last name basis, should have political power over you.

That view makes sense if the only alternatives are democracy, extreme localism, and benign anarchy. A brief historical survey should suffice to demonstrate that there are, in fact, other less pleasant alternatives.

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by whatnojeez »

yalogin wrote: post #4

Deepfakes have the potential to turn the word upside down and cause utter chaos in the world. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it as a society, I think we are not equipped for it. In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

> In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

Because he's not the cartoon supervillain you think he is?

Re: South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

#20

Post by murzy »

stanrivers wrote: post #11

This feels like the start of something very bad - they are going to be upfront about the deepfakes... others are not. It’s going to get to the point where you can’t even say in a court room “well we have video of him doing this”. The fact that deepfakes will exist will erode confidence in even those things that are true. At the same time it will add additional fake situations to the conversation. Worst part is that e…

> The moment a computer knows what gives away a hint that it is a deepfakes and not real, a computer can solve to not present that give away. The “good guys” and “bad guys” will iterate with each other until it is perfected.

You just described a GAN (generative adversarial network)!

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