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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#62
post #59

Can we please have a Pi without a crappy storage interface. It's either a microSD card or something dangling off USB. An M2 SATA or NVMe would make this credible but 99% of the problems I've had with the Pi platform is storage related, either being knackered microSD cards, terrible performance or USB power problems.

Sounds like you're not the target audience for a RPi. They are meant to be cheap computers for "the promotion of teaching basic computer science in schools and in developing countries"[0]. Adding NVMe support would increase the price.

There are alternatives to RPi that do what you want, odroid-h2plus for example.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#64
post #62
post #59

Can we please have a Pi without a crappy storage interface. It's either a microSD card or something dangling off USB. An M2 SATA or NVMe would make this credible but 99% of the problems I've had with the Pi platform is storage related, either being knackered microSD cards, terrible performance or USB power problems.

Sounds like you're not the target audience for a RPi. They are meant to be cheap computers for "the promotion of teaching basic computer science in schools and in developing countries"[0]. Adding NVMe support would increase the price. There are alternatives to RPi that do what you want, odroid-h2plus for example. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi

Schools don't want to be debugging microSD and USB issues.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#65
post #62
post #59

Can we please have a Pi without a crappy storage interface. It's either a microSD card or something dangling off USB. An M2 SATA or NVMe would make this credible but 99% of the problems I've had with the Pi platform is storage related, either being knackered microSD cards, terrible performance or USB power problems.

Sounds like you're not the target audience for a RPi. They are meant to be cheap computers for "the promotion of teaching basic computer science in schools and in developing countries"[0]. Adding NVMe support would increase the price. There are alternatives to RPi that do what you want, odroid-h2plus for example. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi

Also, the CM4 does work with native NVMe or SATA storage (at the expense of USB 3.0 ports).

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#66
I like the general idea but frankly this is underwhelming.

Where’s the sense of fun?

Given the origin of the raspberry pi being the old BBC and other home computers it would have been fun to have a solid computer with a full size keyboard reminiscent of the old 8 bit machines like the Acorn or the BBC micro.

The is just a keyboard. And really a missed opportunity to be something unique and fun and exciting.

This is kinda neat but nothing special. I’m not involuntarily reaching for my wallet.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#67
I was hopping they would just use the compute module[1] and you could replace/upgrade or even use it in another project. In the teardown you can see there is only one board. [2]

I would have also though it would cost less but I guess integrating it directly is even cheaper.

[1] https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-compute-module...

[2] https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/raspberry-pi-400-tear...

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#68

This tugs all the heartstrings for me as it mimics the computers of the early 80s. My only criticism is that their use of micro-HDMI makes it very easy for children to wreck the machine. I've had this happen twice to me on RPi4s, and it's not a terribly pleasant experience. Now all I want from them is a custom edition with the function keys in red, the rest in black, and the body in beige.

If only it had the traditional orange F-keys. Then it would be perfect!

references:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro#/media/File:BBC_Micr...

or an actual ARM model:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Archimedes#/media/File:A...

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#69
post #53

It is quite amazing to see how far we've come since the C64. Clock speed: 1827x Benchmark: 430000x Memory: 65536x Power: 0.5x Screen resolution: 130x Serial port rate: 1562500x Introductory price: 6x less Reference: [1] https://files.littlebird.com.au/Shared-Image-2020-11-02-20-0...

Benchmark: 430000x Cool. That would mean performence more then doubled on a yearly basis. Unfortunately, your "reference" is just the same numbers you posted but as an image. I don't know if this counts as a "reference" :) Any links to who performed those benchmarks?

Demanding facts and methodology eh? You don’t seem to understand benchmarks.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

#70

I like the general idea but frankly this is underwhelming. Where’s the sense of fun? Given the origin of the raspberry pi being the old BBC and other home computers it would have been fun to have a solid computer with a full size keyboard reminiscent of the old 8 bit machines like the Acorn or the BBC micro. The is just a keyboard. And really a missed opportunity to be something unique and fun and exciting. This is k…

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