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Goodbye, Twitter

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Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by app4soft »

okareaman wrote: post #26

I wish we would deprecate these "Goodby [Twitter | Facebook | Medium | Etc..] articles because a) the author usually assumes that people need to be educated and b) the authors have some axe to grind specific to them. Myself and people I know use these platforms with eyes wide open and find them useful. If a person doesn't like them, quit and spare us the dramatic exit article.

> I wish we would deprecate these "Goodby [Twitter | Facebook | Medium | Etc..]" articles

Yep. What about "..., I'm quitting [Twitter | Facebook | Medium | Etc..]" articles?[0]

P.S. All those articles' titles looks mostly clickbait for HNs; instead titles should at least in short form include "why" they do that.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24962203

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by jariel »

egonschiele wrote: post #31

I'm getting really tired of this argument, and I don't think this post adds anything new to it. Is censorship bad? Yes. Is QAnon bad? Also yes. Is there an easy answer here? No. What we're doing as a society is running a massive experiment to see the results of several bad options. Every time I see an article like this, the author doesn't take into account that there is no easy answer here, and that while censorship…

"and that while censorship is bad, all the options are had."

The word you are looking for is 'dilemma'.

The censorship issues is frankly probably a small thing, in the big picture, it's the general toxicity, the addiction to word-bytes of irrelevance, the odd FOMO factor etc..

There are a few nice things about Twitter, but it's really quite easy to quit.

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

#43

Post by HomeDeLaPot »

AnonC wrote: post #37

I skimmed through the article quickly, and didn’t see any mention of decentralized platforms like Mastadon or Matrix. Instead, there was a recommendation for Signal, which is one more centralized platform that also needs a phone number.

There was a link to a Mastodon instances search page:

>Spend time finding and deliberately interacting with smaller, community-operated online communities.

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by labster »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #34
okareaman wrote: post #26

I wish we would deprecate these "Goodby [Twitter | Facebook | Medium | Etc..] articles because a) the author usually assumes that people need to be educated and b) the authors have some axe to grind specific to them. Myself and people I know use these platforms with eyes wide open and find them useful. If a person doesn't like them, quit and spare us the dramatic exit article.

>If a person doesn't like them, quit and spare us the dramatic exit article. Would you have said the same about the Declaration of Independence? Sometimes it is a great step forward in dissent to outline why you find the current regime intolerable and why you are leaving.

So tired of all these stamp taxes and microaggressions, I’m quitting England forever and deleting my account.

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

#45

Post by bgorman »

bachmeier wrote: post #32

Go ahead and complain about Twitter "censoring" things you post. Twitter's a platform. They have to choose what they want on there. Eventually it gets to "Oh, you saw that on Twitter? That's some garbage site where the users post every crazy, unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that comes along." At that point their platform is worthless. Censorship is no different than any other decision about what business you're in.…

If Twitter is actively censoring content, then Twitter is not just a platform, Twitter is a curator.

Censorship is very different than any other business decision that you make. Censorship is something that is done in response from government/media pressure. Censorship costs money, but it is a cost of doing business in places like China, and now it seems to be becoming part of the cost of doing business in the United States as well.

An additional point that I think many people are not realizing is that Twitter is the defecto medium that journalists and "informed citizens" use to get breaking news in the US. Sure there is a layer of indirection in the censorship, but how is this layer of indirection meaningfully different than the censorship done on the WeChat "platform"?

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by app4soft »

wrsh07 wrote: post #36
okareaman wrote: post #26

I wish we would deprecate these "Goodby [Twitter | Facebook | Medium | Etc..] articles because a) the author usually assumes that people need to be educated and b) the authors have some axe to grind specific to them. Myself and people I know use these platforms with eyes wide open and find them useful. If a person doesn't like them, quit and spare us the dramatic exit article.

> If a person doesn't like them, quit and spare us the dramatic exit article. Similarly, you could just not read it or downvote & move on

> you could just not read it or downvote & move on

[0] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/awkward-look-monkey-puppet

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by nullc »

trav4225 wrote: post #14
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #6

I always considered Twitter's standard of holding even private conversations in public and always publicly disclosing your follower/following graph extremely dangerous for privacy, and I wouldn't be surprised if the "public-by-default" also contributed to the toxic "Twitter mob" culture because when every communication is public, everyone on the platform is much more encouraged to virtue signal (or attack those who s…

Yeah, what is the deal with that, anyway? Twitter is constantly giving me the "something went wrong" message or telling me that I'm being rate-limited even though I only hit the site about 10 times a week.

Go to about:debugging#workers and remove all "service workers" for twitter (these are persistent background tasks that, among other things, can act as proxy servers for requests on pages).

This will resolve the problem, at least temporarily.

You can disable service workers entirely by setting about:config dom.serviceWorkers.enabled to false.

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by rndgermandude »

sebastien_b wrote: post #23
sneak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what part of the post suggested to you "right-wing nut"? My email address is in my profile.

Sure. Keep in mind that I started reading this with an open mind, so might help for you to also 'step back' and try to view it from more neutral eyes; if you want to call me a 'left wing nut' after this, no problem for me... You have some good points about how Twitter limits the API, and screws with your timeline and settings. I fully agree with those points. However, you seem to focus a lot on the 'bot' aspect of it…

That's the most flimsy argumentation...

The author likes some bots, so he must be a Russian bot?

The author mentions §230, so he must be a right winger?

The author mentions a Qanon slogan as an example for censorship happening on twitter, so he must be a Qanon nut (I cannot be sure if the author calling out Qanon as a conspiracy theory movement was already present when you commented... but it is now at least)

As for censorship: yes, it's censorship that you're not allowed to scream fire, and it's one of the exceptions to free speech in the US that can be legally censored by the government. Not all censorship is automatically bad. Another example for "good" censorship would be child pornography.

The questions always are who does censor? and why do they censor? (and how do they publicly justify that censorship) and how sound and "obvious" is their argument?

Facebook censors nudity - as do most US TV stations (some under FCC rules) and a lot of other companies - even non-sexualized nudity, and arguments it's to protect viewers, especially kids, from naughty things. In Germany you will sometimes even see non-sexualized nudity - be it nipples or even "full-frontal" - on the public children TV channel (KiKa - Kinder Kanal). Is the US (corporate, sometimes government) approach to censorship of nudity the right one? Or the German one?

Censorship, and the reasons for it are seldom really black-and-white, and communities, from small groups, to social networks, to societies at large, have to reach some kind of consensus what goes and what goes not and reevaluate that consensus frequently.

The point is to justify when and why you censor, and from my understanding of what the author wrote, it seems the lack transparency, twitter implementing censorship with disregard for what their community wants (or at least part of it) from up top, and ever increasing amount of censorship that he disagrees with, not saying all censorship is automatically bad.

I myself tend to find myself on the "censor less" side of the argument usually, in case you wonder, tho shit like Qanon/"pizza comet" and their success sowed a little doubt recently, to be completely honest.

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by CameronNemo »

root_axis wrote: post #29

Twitter is not important, you might as well be talking about World of Warcraft; it's an entertainment website, not something anyone needs to use. Just because some famous people post stuff there doesn't mean its important.

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, some organizations only post certain information on twitter.

Re: Goodbye, Twitter

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Post by pugworthy »

okareaman wrote: post #26

I wish we would deprecate these "Goodby [Twitter | Facebook | Medium | Etc..] articles because a) the author usually assumes that people need to be educated and b) the authors have some axe to grind specific to them. Myself and people I know use these platforms with eyes wide open and find them useful. If a person doesn't like them, quit and spare us the dramatic exit article.

Somewhat agree. This is not a new thing at all; the phrase "I'm leaving the community" is quite old in internet years.
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