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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by pvaldes » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

EricE wrote: post #199

berdario wrote: post #66

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The pandemic has a death toll. A lot of these things would've happened even without a lockdown, since if the pandemic goes badly enough, huge swaths of the population would've shut themselves at home to avoid risk of contagion. Also, the virus is clearly more dangerous than the lockdown: you have seen what happens when the lockdown is applied to the whole population, but you haven't yet seen what happens when the vir…

Sweden didn't lock down and if you look at the deaths per million they are the lowest in Europe. Raw infection numbers are scary, but not very telling since testing is far from universal or error free. Death stats aren't that reliable either. Covid seems to be deadly and a miracle cure at the same time - it's amazing how death rates for other maladies all seem to be dramatically down. I'm sure that is just coincidenc…

> Sweden didn't lock down and if you look at the deaths per million they are the lowest in Europe.

This is False (obviously).

Germany: 126 deaths by million

Portugal: 247

France: 549

Sweden: 580

Spain: 764

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by anoncake » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

jonsno56 wrote: post #194

anoncake wrote: post #187

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Exactly. There is no evidence that there is a significant disability rate, so no one can provide any.

You should probably google myalgic encephalomyelitis and covid

https://thelogicofscience.com/2016/09/27/dont-tell-people-to...

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by Izkata » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

questionsta wrote: post #123

Genuine question from a fellow software engineer (throwaway because COVID is such a wedge issue. And for the record I'm currently in Australia and spent the early part of COVID pandemic in the US so have familiarity with both sides of the equation): Does anyone have a plan to get the world out of COVID? Previous pandemics such as SARS/MERS were contained but had no vaccine, Spanish Flu wasn't contained but there were…

> In the US there seems to be no plan at all.

The response is handled at the state level, not the federal level (though it can make recommendations). Most states have reopened or are planning to. Others, like mine, have in their plan that they won't completely reopen until there is a vaccine (and it's looking likely we'll be re-locking-down soon).

Whether people return to normal activity after restrictions are removed is its own question.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-ma...

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by danenania » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:00 PM UTC

fxtentacle wrote: post #19

bmitc wrote: post #4

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The U.S. is filled with blind exceptionalism and narcissism compounded with social media and propaganda running rampant along with oligarchs who care about little else than money. This election hopefully provides a temporary relief, but there are seriously deep problems at hand.

My impression is that both in the US and in most European countries, there is a dire need for new political parties to enter the mainstream. I mean this election is basically a forced choice between two grandpas and both are representing values from before I was born. Where's the political party that I would trust to do what will secure a good future for my kids, because they, too, have young kids? Where's the politi…

The main requirement for more diversity in the US system is ranked choice voting. Without it, people are forced to vote pragmatically for the lesser of two evils rather than according to their values, and no party other than the two entrenched ones can get any traction.

Needless to say, this is unlikely to change without a fight, since the status quo benefits the people in power on both sides.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by dehrmann » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #142

dehrmann wrote: post #25

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Deaths do lag new cases, but something big Sweden has going for it is that a lot of Swedes live alone.

Deaths in Sweden have flatlined since the end of July. The lag is not nearly that big.

But new cases are up 10x from six weeks ago, and being exponential, most of those have been in the past few weeks. Still better than a lot of Europe, though.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by nona » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #73

flamble wrote: post #67

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> Lockdown has a death toll. This is just fact. I steeled myself to read this post in the most charitable possible light. Yes, lockdown most likely has some death toll. But the specific points you're making are very dubious and also very recognisable as the effect of consuming specific kinds of media. Firstly, the point about "not getting as much exercise" is frustrating. Back when we didn't have data on this, it was…

>At least in Victoria, it seems like these predictions were unfounded. I specifically said Australia, and your claim is incorrect according to the Australian Medical Association which forecasts 750-1,000 additional suicides for 5 years. [1] I can't find my original source for that figure but the AMA source still proves my point. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7312512 Belgium did not have a Melbourne-t…

> Belgium did not have a Melbourne-tier lockdown at any stage. Why would it be comparable?

What are you talking about? Yes we did. Curfew, essential services only, no non-essential travel, etc etc.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:49 PM UTC

drcross wrote: post #36

If you told six month ago me that we'd be treating people who are high risk of this disease the same as people with low risk I would have been in complete disbelief.

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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by m0zg » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:52 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #174

L-four wrote: post #76

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It's not going away, we are actively getting rid of it.

What measures are getting rid of it permanently? Until there is a vaccine, herd immunity is the only path. We won’t rid ourselves completely and it will keep coming back.

Not just "until there's a vaccine", but "until there's a safe and effective vaccine", which is a feat several orders of magnitude harder, that has not been achieved against any other coronavirus.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:53 PM UTC

Yuioup wrote: post #145

... until the next time they let Britons in.

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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by simonebrunozzi » Sun, Nov 01, 2020, 6:55 PM UTC

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #164

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #162

Anyone knows if Australia is going to accept "tourists" anytime soon? I would love to spend a few weeks there and get away from the chaos. (and of course I would get tested before going, etc)

No time soon, if they're smart. They shouldn't be eradicating coronavirus then inviting people in to reinfect them. That would be poor judgment.

Unless you accept people that have been tested, in which case you are not reintroducing anything. You can also enforce a 10-12 days quarantine to make sure.