Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or ostracizing other people.
No, sorry. Ostracizing others is absolutely not equivalent to attempted murder.
Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share
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#62And this is why it's so important to maintain basic civility to everyone, regardless of political views.
It's a nice ideal, but once the views become too extreme, it's not practical. Not many people will maintain basic civility towards a person telling them they don't deserve basic rights for example.
Case in point: In Sweden any politician, and mainstream society in general, who even hinted at reducing immigration has been called a heartless racist for the last 30 years, completely shutting down debate.
The effect of this was predictable (indeed I've been saying it for about two decades): MORE people become anti-immigrant. (the Sweden Democrats are probably the biggest party now, if there'd be an election today)
When you're told by the press and politicians that even raising a topic makes you racist and you should be cancelled, you're not exactly going to be won over.
It's so sad to see from the sidelines. Why has the left shifted so much to shutting down all debate that isn't 100% in agreement with the party line? It's not that I disagree with them on the issues, it's that it's sad that they're not seeing how it's actively hurting their stated goals.
If Sweden is any predictor, then this is going to get much worse (or, if you're on the right, it'll get much better).
Every time someone who said "biological men should not be allowed to compete in sports with biological women" is called Hitler, that's one more person lost to your whole argument, and someone who says that Trump is an OK compromise, and who'll think "if that's your choice argument then you're too crazy to be listened to on abortion, too".
tl;dr: If you're choosing between "practical" and "effective", choose "effective". But also see history for how I think when you say "practical", you actually mean "low effort".
Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share
#63That's due to extreme polarization, the destruction of middle ground / moderates.
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#65And this is why it's so important to maintain basic civility to everyone, regardless of political views.
There's plenty of political views so toxic and harmful they don't deserve civility. An easy litmus test: are you advocating harm to a person for merely existing in the world, living with the skin color and sexuality they were born with, or making choices that don't harm anyone else? Then I have no interest in hearing your toxic and hateful opinion and I sure hope you'll be afraid to voice it around me. It's a great t…
Just in case: speech, however abusive, or denial of association or services is never "harm".
Replying to a deleted comment: I think that white-only service is asshole behavior, just as holocaust denial and other stuff. I fight and would continue to fight it with education, counter-propaganda and civil boycott, but I would fight for those people to have legal right to do it without persecution by government at the same time.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a nice ideal, but once the views become too extreme, it's not practical. Not many people will maintain basic civility towards a person telling them they don't deserve basic rights for example.
I dont think that's quite fair, basic civility would mean not immediately trying to frame something you disagree with as denying basic rights, and trying to have a more practical discussion about the issues.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not destruction of the middle ground, but rather hiding of the middle ground. Moderates do not feel safe to express moderate views for fear of being ostracized and cancelled.
Do you have any links to examples of moderate views that will get one cancelled? I would be really interested in this topic.
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#68I suspect that the disconnect is far wider in scope. Most people are totally perplexed by the disparity between their own reality and what is portrayed in the news. For 3 years we had evidence-free but unrelenting Russia/Trump hate. This seemed insane, but it turns out that was just the warm up act to coronavirus!
The reality of what people see around them is sooooo far away from what is portrayed on the MSM. It amazes me that anyone pays any notice to the MSM at. But what it really shows, is that most individuals are not their own authority in their life. They defer to what is the consensus opinion that is blasted at them 24/7 from the MSM, rather than acting according to what they actually experience.
Imagine, somehow a person was frozen in time, and seeing how the majority live now - scared of living because someone said something on TV!
But that is the power of the media, and why it is such an effective control. The majority disagree with what is portrayed, but feel pressured enough to keep quiet and therefore acquiesce to whatever is being shouted out.
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#69The final Democracy Institute poll ( https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1354506/us-election-202... ) that came out Saturday predicts a Trump victory contrary to most other polls, because it found that 79% of Trump voters do not tell others that they support him, while only 21% of Biden voters are shy. USC's poll predicts a Biden victory, but when experimental questions are asked to figure out how those polled reall…
Well, polls are IMHO not good, betting odds are better I have found, for example the last UK general election the bettering odds had conservatists to win. Yet if you looked at Twitter or Facebook, you would be convinced Labour would win with complete dominance in posts upon those platforms. That day I learned that social media is not representative of the populous at large and only a slanted snapshot and polls are eq…
"Never mistake your Twitter feed for your country" (https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1205273956078563328)
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#70Does this mean thath the polls for this presidential election are even more wrong than they were in 2016?
That's a good question and no one really knows the answer, but we will have the answer Nov 4. If your implication is true, I think there is going to have to be a serious re-assessment by the establishment regarding the divergence of their politics vs the populace --and there would be a realization that propaganda only goes so far and coercion is the missing ingredient. If the establishment is right, then obviously th…