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I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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When I first got into Linux I was like this. I regret it, now I very rarely recommend someone to try it and almost never help them set it up. I guest most people here understand why, tfa is very recognizable to me.

Now 20 years later I run all my infrastructure from my basement, no cloud dependency for me, my OS does not spy on me and all tools I need for day to day life are Free... Freedom!!! See I proved them wrong, they should have gotten into it... Right? Wrong! Nobody cares!

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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Outside of learning a language are there many times that wrote memorization is useful? I can't think how I would use this in a software development sense. Coding katas come close to this and a useful but I'm not sure flash cards would do the same. Maybe it would be handy to memorize a libraries API but then if I use something enough that memorization would be useful I'll learn it by way of using it.

I put all kinds of things in my Anki deck, mostly unrelated to software development, but I have created cards for things like the definitions of CRDT, ACID and monad, what link-local IPv6 addresses look like, and some useful flags in grep and parallel. Ever get annoyed by the realisation that you learned something a few months ago, but have forgotten it by the time you need it? Anki can fix this.

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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I say this with all the kindness that I have... this article/guy is really sad. First of all, if you think you've found the world's ultimate fighting technique, don't try to show it to random people for approval. Use it. Anki yourself in secret until you're a super-saiyan, and then unleash your strength on the quivering masses. Hear the lamentation of their women, until they are begging you for mercy and also to teac…

I use it to lubricate my ability. Basically every time I have to google something to do my job I toss it in anki.

Not having to look up syntax and what not is a far better productivity improvement than editor hacks for example.

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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Outside of learning a language are there many times that wrote memorization is useful? I can't think how I would use this in a software development sense. Coding katas come close to this and a useful but I'm not sure flash cards would do the same. Maybe it would be handy to memorize a libraries API but then if I use something enough that memorization would be useful I'll learn it by way of using it.

one (small) group that has taken to spaced repetition study techniques quite enthusiastically is the tournament scrabble community. the thing about scrabble is that you don't need to know what the words mean, you just need to memorise "acceptable sequences of letters", and also while there are ~275000 valid words in the official dictionary, people have already done the work to sort them into usefulness order. so if you want to play top-level tournament scrabble it is really helpful to simply memorise, say, the 5000-10000 (depending on your dedication) most useful words, keyed by "alphagram" (the alphabetically sorted set of letters in the word). e.g. ADEINRT -> [ANTIRED,DETRAIN,TRAINED]. again, you don't need to know or care what those words mean, just to know the they are the only three words made from that set of letters (as an aside the most useful words to memorise tend to be predominantly 2, 3, 7 and 8 letters long, most tournament players master the 2s as soon as possible, take a while with the 3s and start "cardboxing", scrabble jargon for using a flashcard app with spaced repetition, to learn the top few thousand 7s and 8s)

anki itself is not super popular since there are apps like zyzzyva that are specialised for scrabble word study, but the technique is.

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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post #8

I say this with all the kindness that I have... this article/guy is really sad. First of all, if you think you've found the world's ultimate fighting technique, don't try to show it to random people for approval. Use it. Anki yourself in secret until you're a super-saiyan, and then unleash your strength on the quivering masses. Hear the lamentation of their women, until they are begging you for mercy and also to teac…

I read this article and I was “ok memorization, but is that learning??” And even after perusing the supermemo website, and so on I’m still not convinced that this isn’t anything more than memorization for exams.

There’s a reason why this is popular in the “rationalist” community: they’re mostly college kids. I have never seen a coworker or other industry professional use any of these tools.

Why, because doing isn’t the same as remembering. Over time you remember by doing. That’s it.

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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Why is this on the front of HN? It’s a boring blog post about some, seemingly entitled, person who’s on a rant about people not wanting to listen to Jehovah’s witnesses.

It’s not remotely useful. Changing hearts and minds is a skill in itself. It’s why people spend 3-5 years in a university to pick up skills on how to do it. Yet here we have some anecdotal story about someone who fails to convince strangers about some method of learning that is described as “99% of people never learn learning, you can be the 1% by doing this...”, and lets be honest, those people aren’t the authors friends, because actual friends don’t just shrug off your interests. I feel like I’ve just read an article on a subreddit about cringe or niceguys/gals about someone socially awkward who don’t understand why people don’t think they are the greatest.

Maybe it’s just me, but I sure wish I hadn’t ever read this.

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

#27
I started learning Korean during our age of perpetual quarantine, and the first thing I did when I sat down to start was ask myself, “How do I study?” I’m a decade or so out from my last bit of formal education, and I haven’t had to sit down and study since.

If you research that question - “how to study?”- a bit, you will immediately be inundated with dozens of resources swearing by spaced repetition. Once you use it for a few weeks, it’s clear that the practice itself is helpful for retention. However, flashcards alone are simply not going to teach you a full language. You need reading exercises, speaking exercises, listening exercises, and writing exercises. These are rarely, if ever, all found in one place, and I quickly found myself following a few different programs, each teaching part of the full puzzle.

People don’t want a tool. They want a silver bullet. Anki is very much just a tool, and like other tools, it requires you to do work with the tool to get a desired output. Making good cards is a time consuming nightmare if you want images and sounds, and getting those cards to sync across devices is non-trivial; you’re lucky when a mobile app supports importing all your media in your decks, or lets you study reversed cards in a sensible way. Proponents will say, “You can just import some great premade decks!” This might be useful for an intermediate, but as a beginner, having a deck full of vocabulary that deviates from the words I’m being taught in my other lessons is nearly useless.

I can see how it’s tempting to tell the world - “You could learn so much faster with this one weird trick!” And the author knows that sale works; it’s easy to get someone to try Anki. Those users quickly realize that there are barriers to reaching the point where they have a net productivity increase, so why would they change what was working just fine for them already?

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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SRS is the classic technical user situation. Anki looks like it’s from 1995 and has a massive initial learning curve with specialized vocabulary to learn (Cloze, decks, etc.) When it’s advertised, the copy is overly technical and confusing to the average person. Just look at SuperMemo’s home page, for an example: https://www.supermemo.com/en To get widespread SRS adoption, two things need to happen: 1. The primary so…

I’m always curious about the “Anki should be prettier” comment.

I use Anki a lot, so I’m not in the best position to judge its first-hand impression. But, what would you say should change? Both in terms of visuals and interaction?

Genuinely asking.

Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

#29
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I say this with all the kindness that I have... this article/guy is really sad. First of all, if you think you've found the world's ultimate fighting technique, don't try to show it to random people for approval. Use it. Anki yourself in secret until you're a super-saiyan, and then unleash your strength on the quivering masses. Hear the lamentation of their women, until they are begging you for mercy and also to teac…

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Re: I No Longer Tell My Friends about Anki/SuperMemo

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Outside of learning a language are there many times that wrote memorization is useful? I can't think how I would use this in a software development sense. Coding katas come close to this and a useful but I'm not sure flash cards would do the same. Maybe it would be handy to memorize a libraries API but then if I use something enough that memorization would be useful I'll learn it by way of using it.

I basically settled on an Anki-like system for cramming for tests in college. But this was a situation where I largely didn't attend class, but knew what formulas I'd need to know to pass each exam. Like clockwork, about 48 hours before an exam I'd lock myself away and make a bunch of flashcards, then spend hours rote memorizing them. It worked, and it got me through the tests, but I'd didn't really learn much.

This is NOT what Anki is for. It's called space repetition for a reason. The whole raison d'etre of spaced repetition is that you can memorize information in a fraction of the time by reviewing the information at progressively increasing intervals. If you had practiced spaced repetition, by the end of the term you would have spent a fraction of the time studying and would retain the vast majority of the information for months. If you spent a few minutes per week reviewing, you would still remember those facts today.
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