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Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

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Re: Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

#11

I don't know how someone ever could think this is a good idea and also got so many governments to implement this. Whoever is behind it, he or she is a genius of evil. Let's ditch this nonsense now.

This was done to save electricity. More direct sun, less light and heating.

Historically in France the saving was equivalent to the whole consumption of the city of Paris over the day (maybe 10-20% of the whole country).

It seems people don't care about energy anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

#12
Social issues aside, the software perspective of keeping up with DST is very costly.

Every time any government entity anywhere on Earth changes its mind about what zone they're in and when, the IANA needs to reissue the TZDB. Then every OS and platform vendor needs to patch up to a new TZDB. Just for laughs, Java seems to have its own TZDB so in general your OS and application layer might disagree about zones.

This is all okay for most users who just get an automated OS push, but some vendors operating national networks that need to do some things in localtime need to upgrade their platforms and do acceptance testing every time.

And then there's bugs.

Just for example about the variations, here's a recent TZDB change, seems Fiji is rejiggering their dates only a month away. See the archives for many more.

https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/2020-October/0000...

https://www.iana.org/time-zones

Re: Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

#15
The article is mostly suitably modest about mechanisms, focusing on the epidemiology of the observed effects, and it's more or less obvious to me that the transitions are disruptive to everyone, and especially so to sensitive individuals.

But there's also a bit in the answer to the fourth question (about long-term vs short-term impacts) that mentions effects of "chronic circadian misalignment". I've seen this a few times in various contexts, and it has always seemed to me that if this is what's driving some problems, one ought to be able to compare populations from different ends of an especially wide time zone, e.g. northwestern Indiana and Maine in the US, which are more than 15 degrees of longitude apart, but both in the US Eastern time zone. Surely one or the other of these groups always has at least half an hour of circadian misalignment?

Edit to add: On re-reading, I caught the bit at the end of the "abolition" question where there is a reference to what I wanted, apparently there are studies showing that people in the eastern side of the Central time zone get more sleep than people on the western side. There's even a link (to the Elsevier paywall, alas, but still...) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01676...

Edit 2: 15 degrees of longitude, not latitude.

Re: Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

#18

Can we get rid of timse zone and leap seconds too?

If you don't want to deal with leaps at the leaf level, they are largely absorbed by most cloud hosts and NTPDs these days. The general idea is they'll smear a leap second over a whole day or more so most applications don't see it.

People that do care about a clock second being a few microseconds +/- can still do it themselves.

https://developers.google.com/time/smear

https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/leapsmear.html

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