Gray Wolves to Be Removed from Endangered Species List

Post by hprotagonist » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

yupyup54133 wrote: post #60

snowwrestler wrote: post #56

It's arguable that, based on continuously declining trends in wild species, wild areas, and biodiversity, we should reverse our 19th-century policy default and apply blanket protection to all wild species. If we find compelling reasons they should be culled or impacted, then that can be done with specific regulation or legislation. We've gone so far down in wild species and areas, and these are things that we absolut…

Unless you are for the reintroduction of wolves where you live your opinion on this is selfish. Too many wealthy urbanites and subutbanites have a not-in-my-backyard mentality about wolves.

Post by undersuit » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:33 PM UTC

yupyup54133 wrote: post #50

Here in Wisconsin the wolf argument is a wealthy vs poor issue. Specifically, it is mostly the southern wealthy urbanites and suburbanites dictating to the poorer northern half of the state that they must put up with the re-introduction of wolves. It would be much less of an issue if the wolves were also introduced into the county forests and state parks in the southern half of the state where the wealthy urbanites a…

Post by Grakel » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

frockington1 wrote: post #45

Sunspark wrote: post #25

This is part of the Trump administration's agenda to remove or dismantle anything they can that the Obama administration implemented or put in place. It is the same with all the other environmental regulations and protections they are removing such as the prohibition on drilling for oil in the arctic wildlife refugee, etc. It's very unfortunate for Americans that this administration's policies are not based on ration…

I mailed in my ballot, voting for the first time ever this year! Voted for President Trump! Would encourage everyone else to as well, it's a good feeling to exercise rights that many in the world unfortunately do not have.

Post by thursday0987 » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:38 PM UTC

alexilliamson wrote: post #61

thursday0987 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100,000 years of human history would disagree on your pathology diagnosis. Humans have been killing for sport, for food, and for war, since before we were humans. We are literally the best hunters in the known universe. Its not a pathology.

By what metric are we the best hunters? I'm no animal expert, but eagles, sharks, lions, etc. seem pretty good it!

Post by gcheong » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 3:40 PM UTC

dboreham wrote: post #16

Ericson2314 wrote: post #2

Yeah this is a bit premature. I dunno why we don't just pay the ranchers for livestock killed (it's pretty rare) and everyone goes home happy? Apex predator reintroduction is a good litmus test for how much conservation we can stomach, so I think it's important that we get this right.

> why we don't just pay the ranchers for livestock killed Ah ha. A HN thread close to home (I live within earshot of wolves in Montana). So...we do [1], [2]. Ranchers (generalizing, of course) just don't like wolves. It's a really deep cultural thing. So if you as president want to take some step that will cause a bunch of folks in ranching areas to high five, you'd delist wolves. That they may not in fact be impacte…