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Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by alkonaut »

eecc wrote: post #46
iba99 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your take on changing the status quo around unique task/issue ID's?

Can't say anything more than: it depends. To its essence, an ID allows interested parties to track something over time. If you add additional meanings to an ID - e.g. the parent project as Jira does, or the kind as in ServiceNow - these can become outdated over time, and deceiving. I'd say it's ok to change the "external name" as this other metadata changes over time (project name, bug, task, story, whatever...) but…

The prefix is just a project name though? It's no different from a convention saying that IDs 1000XXX are for project A and IDs for 2000XXX are for project B, it's just easier to read and distinguish like PROJA-0001 and PROJB-0001.

Obviously, you wouldn't want to have things migrating between projects - but if that is even concievable for an issue to do, then the division in 2 projects was probably not correct and it should perhaps have been a single project. That is: the PROJA-0001 is as immutable and unchanging as 1000001 is.

A thing changing "kind" (e.g. a bug to a feature) doesn't seem far fetched, and I'd be reluctant (Meaning I think it would be a flawed design) to use that as the public identifier prefix for a feature.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

syats wrote: post #54

Just wanted to mention Redmine, which is actually GPL and can be installed on premises. Looks a bit dated and somehow hard to customize.. but at least you keep your data (ai models, you say?) you get to keep it when "free" is no longer a valid business model.

See also the OpenProject fork of Redmine.

https://www.openproject.org/jira-alternative/

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by darkhorse13 »

chimen wrote: post #103
lekevicius wrote: post #38

"Free" is the worst pricing of all. Open-source is great. One time purchase price is great for products that don't require maintenance. Subscription pricing is perfectly valid for online services that are not open-source. Free? Free is the worst. I don't get any trust that the service will stay around, it can completely change along the way to "paid", and I don't get to keep anything in that case.

Free like in Netlify where you end'up paying hundreds of dollars/month for a static side hosted on a cdn. Free means: settle in, bring everything you have over here, come on, we will discuss pricing later on when you're stuck in my bubble.

Don't mind me asking, but what exactly are you doing with Netlify? Your pricing seems a bit excessive to say the least.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by ivanbakel »

newswasboring wrote: post #100
robertlagrant wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FWIW, they explain exactly how they'll make money in the website (under Pricing) and in this thread. No, they explain how they currently hope to make money. That's a long way from being the same thing.

This is such a nothing statement. How is that different from setting a price list on their website? They hope people will pay them doesn't mean they will

Because the speculative version is much less trustworthy - and because this kind of service is prone to data lock-in, trust in pricing/profit-models is particularly important.

Consider this: for an existing service with lots of data to back up its pricing, a price list can be treated as an effective guarantee of what the service will continue to cost into the long-term. The company knows that the pricing model is profitable - and therefore, raising prices won't be worth the massive customer outcry.

For a new company, a price list is speculative. There is no way to do accurate long-term extrapolation of profitability. If the prices turn out to be too low to sustain the business, they will have to be raised - and while there will be an outcry, the business will simply have no alternative.

And since it's really hard to migrate all your data/workflows/integrations/etc. away from the service you first decide on, you're incentivised to never join a new service - because the price instability might come back to bite you, let alone if the company itself doesn't collapse later.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by cat199 »

crdrost wrote: post #72
iba99 wrote: post #2

Hi HN! We last crossed paths 6 months ago, when we shared Tara 1.0, a simple Jira alternative. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23033387 I'm one of the creators of Tara, and with support and feedback from the community, we've been hard at work building this v1.5 release over 24 sprints and 500+ pull requests. Several of you asked for an improved Github sync, PRs and commits tracked in tasks, alongside a Gitlab in…

To set up my question, maybe I should share a sort of hazy crackpot vision or dream. So when I look at Git, I see a variety of postmodernism that's like “look, we’re not being pretentiously intellectual or even pessimistic—we’re being realistic , software just is a postmodern world, Alice and Bob both have software that they call ‘Linux’ on their laptops, and they just aren’t the same source code, but they are both L…

holding 'truth' as a single fixed thing is not 'modernist' any more than being relativist is true because it is what people do in some social setting.

you are talking about philosophical relativism and using a philosophically progressivist bias to claim legitimacy.

at some point, Alice and Bob's linux will diverge to the point that Charlie will recognize neither as being linux, at which point there needs to be some basis for legitimacy to have a common ground, which in turn 'devolves into asking questions about power' (e.g. authority/legitimacy)

one can certainly be too fixed in ones approach, but the inverse is also true.

if bob, alice and charlie all work for an organization of people delivering 'the same linux' (whether open source/community driven or public company), what will a consumer of this 'linux' recieve when they get it?

which in turn 'devolves into asking questions about power' ..

ultimately we need to be on some same page, even if it is a bunch of post it notes on a desk and not a neatly bound hardcopy, so i wouldn't let the dualism implicit in being relativist create a false dichotomy whereby being organized at all is somehow outside of the realm of possibility.

what does your vision of 'keeping track of being on the same page' look like, if the page doesn't even need to exist to be on it?

or does so-called software 'enlightenment' require dissociating from all fixed concepts altogether? (show me the computer that will work this way and not be a magic spell, quantum included, since we are talking about 'being realistic')

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by Chris2048 »

rurban wrote: post #98
gjvc wrote: post #45

https://www.phacility.com/phabricator/ is a better option

And with better humor. "Use sophisticated drag and drop to make sure your project is properly micro managed with Workboards. Grab ahold of tasks, literally. Place them in confusing, new orders. Make a column just for interns! Ignore the backlog forever." They might be british

  - Runs on Linux, Mac OS X
  - Also "runs" on Windows.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by 3r8riacz »

xaedes wrote: post #93

Why is the user in the "terms and conditions" called a "tester"? > this pilot agreement ("agreement") is a legal agreement between you ("tester") and tara intelligence inc. ("company"). company is developing a software platform product offering for managing product development lifecycles ("company platform"), and this agreement governs tester's use of the company platform. by accessing or using the service or by clic…

Maybe you always use the beta version for free, and only the paid plan will use the fixed production build?

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Post by chimen »

darkhorse13 wrote: post #113
chimen wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free like in Netlify where you end'up paying hundreds of dollars/month for a static side hosted on a cdn. Free means: settle in, bring everything you have over here, come on, we will discuss pricing later on when you're stuck in my bubble.

Don't mind me asking, but what exactly are you doing with Netlify? Your pricing seems a bit excessive to say the least.

Not doing it any more since I migrated to Firebase. avg of 700 visitors/day to a Gatsby blog coupled with forms that send about 10 email/day that was it yes.
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