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Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by mrtksn »

nethunters wrote: post #202
mrtksn wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The islamic 40 day fasting is exactly like that and it’s fun to entertain the idea of fasting close to the poles. The fasting dates are determined by the moon calendar so it moves between extremely easy and extremely hard. Do you know if the muslims are actually going through it on hardcore level or have some kind of rationalisation for not doing it or a cheating method like sleeping all day?

According to traditional scholars from the four schools of thought, Muslims who live near the poles and either have the sun all day or darkness all day follow the timings for both the five daily prayers, and the times to open and close the fast as well as the dates of when fasting starts and finishes of their nearest neighbouring country which has sunset and sunrise.

Looks very imprecise considering the precision timing of the usual prayers(The prayers start at very exact astronomical time, in a large city like Istanbul you can hear a mosque from a far , then closer and closer ones start the broadcast, then the mosque next to you, then the ones far from you. You can literally observe earths rotation from mosque timings). There's no such thing like national prayer time, muslims use apps or leaflets with the timings calculated for each city.

That said, I don't know much about religion practices. Maybe the precision timing is a Turkish thing.

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Post by fragsworth »

kimi wrote: post #188

I'd say this - while interesting - does not show a thing. It happens that a billion or so people do this every year, so any actual public health effect should be quite noticeable. Instead, "the highest percentage change in age-standardized BMI related deaths and disability-adjusted life-years occurred in Bangladesh" (that is mostly a Sunni country) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5866840/#Sec3ti... Or…

If you're referring to Ramadan, I don't believe that's the same thing, because it is two meals a day, spaced apart significantly, and only lasts a month.

I also question religious devotees adherence to their religion. There are no stats on it and it is impossible to measure... Perhaps a significant number of them secretly cheat.

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Post by chimen »

kimi wrote: post #188

I'd say this - while interesting - does not show a thing. It happens that a billion or so people do this every year, so any actual public health effect should be quite noticeable. Instead, "the highest percentage change in age-standardized BMI related deaths and disability-adjusted life-years occurred in Bangladesh" (that is mostly a Sunni country) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5866840/#Sec3ti... Or…

I dropped the same argument in a previous "fasting" post here and nobody reacted. Over a billion people fast "religiously" during Ramadan so why do we need so many studies when we should be able to draw conclusions from these arab countries vs the rest of the world pretty easily.

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Post by chimen »

fragsworth wrote: post #212
kimi wrote: post #188

I'd say this - while interesting - does not show a thing. It happens that a billion or so people do this every year, so any actual public health effect should be quite noticeable. Instead, "the highest percentage change in age-standardized BMI related deaths and disability-adjusted life-years occurred in Bangladesh" (that is mostly a Sunni country) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5866840/#Sec3ti... Or…

If you're referring to Ramadan, I don't believe that's the same thing, because it is two meals a day, spaced apart significantly, and only lasts a month. I also question religious devotees adherence to their religion. There are no stats on it and it is impossible to measure... Perhaps a significant number of them secretly cheat.

Isn;t it from down till sunset?

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #129
Melting_Harps wrote: post #96

I've been doing a 16-20 hour fast since the lockdown and WFH, and to be honest I saw a significant decrease in my overall anxiety as a result. Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). And while there are drawbacks, I can't bench press 215lbs anymore, the overall benefits have been pretty significant that I will keep doing it. My weight was pretty erratic, given the high stress lo…

Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). Foods containing rosemary, sage and dill are some things I find helpful with anxiety. Also licorice with real licorice extract.

Liquorice is an adaptogen that helps balance cortisol levels and balance the adrenals. The other are merely anti inflammatory.

Another effective herb for anxiety would be holy basil or tulsi. Easy to grow everywhere. Leaving a few leaves of holy basil in a copper container overnight and having a few sips in the morning on an empty stomach is my old grandmother’s remedy/morning ritual. Later when I started growing holy basil at the farm, one of the herbalist who bought from me said that the copper vessel has something to do with enhancing bio availability of chromium and other trace minerals in holy basil.

Other stress reducing adaptogen herbs that are a tad uncommon(and need herbalist guidance), ashwagandha and rhodiola. I can grow the former but not the latter in CA. Maca too is said to have a balancing effect on adrenals and thereby reducing stress and related anxiety.

Of course, there is always lavender. My favorite.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #111
peteretep wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). While I wouldn’t dare to comment on someone else’s mental health situation, I’d note for anyone else reading and considering this that traditional SSRIs are very effective for some people, cheap, and you won’t have trouble taking them across borders or getting them prescribed in an emergency from a random doctor if you lose your stash

> traditional SSRIs are very effective... With immense amount of side-effects, I'd advise people to use CBD to see if it alleviates the symptoms before any SSRI. In addition to the anxiety, I needed it for inflammation and pain relief which is a massive component to many ailments that have compounding effects. I worked 70+ hours a week in the peak season(s), so sleeping became a rare commodity which high loads of CBD…

It’s nuts how we are regulating CBD when alcohol and nicotine do far greater damage. CBD is legit therapeutic. The more I learn about it, I can’t wrap my head around this.

One day..a hundred or so years from now when the world is saner, our children will read about it in their textbooks and stare at each other w/disbelief.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

PeterStuer wrote: post #169
radicalriddler wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to agree with the sibling reply. I've been on SSRI's, and I have friends who've been put on SSRI's, and there hasn't been any awful side effects. Definitely not "immense".

Don't mean any disrespect, but given that the inability to orgasm is a very common sideffect of SSRI's, they might not have told you the full story?

Not to mention withdrawal symptoms. And issues with weaning/tapering.

SSRIs are often for life. And is a gateway drug for other pharmaceuticals to deal with the side effects.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by AlphaGeekZulu »

jmnicolas wrote: post #194

I'm a bit surprised by the recommendation to eat in the evening: I can't find it now, but I clearly remember reading an article that the liver was expanding during the day to adapt to the incoming food intakes. And my own experience confirms it: on one meal a day I will loose much more weight if I eat at noon than if I eat the evening.

I was surprised as well. I always thought, the whole idea of intermittent fasting is to have no sugar floating in the body when you go to sleep. And that would be accomplished by a last meal at 4pm or 5pm and then no intake (except water, sugar-free tea/coffee) for 16 hours.
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