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Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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To people who enjoys food: you never know what you've missed if you never been to Sichuan or Chongqing.

The weird thing about Chengdu is that they don’t have kungpao chicken, which is actually just Beijing-style Sichuan food. You can have inauthentic Chinese food even China.

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Somewhat less authentically, the "Chang" of PF Chang is her son Philip Chiang, who had to change even his own name to better suit American palates. Mongolian Beef, California rolls and a Great Wall of Chocolate, anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._F._Chang%27s_China_Bistro

nothing wrong with that, seems to have done very well for himself.

Nothing wrong with judging such behavior, either!

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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Maybe "The Mandarin" was authentic, I don't think I went there, but having lived in SF for 11 years I never found any authentic asian food in SF. I found some in Fremont. There's plenty in San Gabriel, Alhambra, and other places on the north east side of LA but SF, nothing. No authentic Japanese, no authentic Chinese, no authentic Vietnamese, no authentic Korean, no authentic Taiwanese, no authentic Malay/Singapore/I…

When I was living in the Bay Area circa 2005, there was a Chinese restaurant in SF called the la meizi, so authentically Changsha/Hunanese that they even served stinky tofu.

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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Maybe "The Mandarin" was authentic, I don't think I went there, but having lived in SF for 11 years I never found any authentic asian food in SF. I found some in Fremont. There's plenty in San Gabriel, Alhambra, and other places on the north east side of LA but SF, nothing. No authentic Japanese, no authentic Chinese, no authentic Vietnamese, no authentic Korean, no authentic Taiwanese, no authentic Malay/Singapore/I…

Hmm, restaurants from Japan have opened locations in SF though. E.g. Hinodeya, Mensho, Tsuta. Did you feel even those weren't authentic?

Similarly, Crystal Jade (RIP) re Chinese food.

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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Somewhat less authentically, the "Chang" of PF Chang is her son Philip Chiang, who had to change even his own name to better suit American palates. Mongolian Beef, California rolls and a Great Wall of Chocolate, anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._F._Chang%27s_China_Bistro

Its a shame what happened to PF Changs. They had perfected American Chinese food, which really seems to be under appreciated as its own type of food. The typical place might have good Mongolian beef but then just buy the cheapest worst chicken so General Tso's is garbage. Another place might actually care about properly frying their chicken and have incredible Orange chicken but just not care at all about their lo mein. PF Changs used to have one of the best versions of everything you could find at a typical American Chinese restaurant.

But at some point they were bought out by a company that was intent on squeezing every penny out of the place and didn't care about quality. The sauces changed for the lettuce wraps to obviously cheaper ingredients, then the waiters stopped even making the sauces. Prices of the all the dishes went up as the serving sizes shrunk. Then the quality just went to shit.

When I lived in Asia, I could obviously get amazing authentic Chinese food. But, whenever I visited home I would always get a turkey sub first (turkey is harder to find than a good sub sandwich in general) and then American Chinese food. PF Changs used to easily fill that niche and was ruined by a bunch of terrible people who I'm sure got promotions and now are ruining some other restaurant while increasing profits for the owners.

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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Maybe "The Mandarin" was authentic, I don't think I went there, but having lived in SF for 11 years I never found any authentic asian food in SF. I found some in Fremont. There's plenty in San Gabriel, Alhambra, and other places on the north east side of LA but SF, nothing. No authentic Japanese, no authentic Chinese, no authentic Vietnamese, no authentic Korean, no authentic Taiwanese, no authentic Malay/Singapore/I…

Throw every authentic chinese food in sf list you might have read (for some reason they all list bad restaurants) and go to:

- dumpling specialist

- chongqing xiao mian

- mr zsechuan

- jiang nan

- the pancake house

And that’s it, these were hard to find for sure.

Vietnamese is uber hard to find, but yummy yummy is really good, bunbo at cordon bleu is legit too. I like the buncha At tin.

If you’re saying that there is no good korean, oh boy you’re in for a treat, go to Daeho!

For thai: zen yai is uber legit, be sure to ask for “thai spicy”

Then go to 85C get some good taiwanese pastries, and then to little sweet to go get a hong kong style coconut drink with sago.

For Japanese, just avoid the over hyped places, go to kuishinbo!

Also, go to yemeni kitchen, pakwan, doppio zero, gusto pinsa romana,

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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post #8

Maybe "The Mandarin" was authentic, I don't think I went there, but having lived in SF for 11 years I never found any authentic asian food in SF. I found some in Fremont. There's plenty in San Gabriel, Alhambra, and other places on the north east side of LA but SF, nothing. No authentic Japanese, no authentic Chinese, no authentic Vietnamese, no authentic Korean, no authentic Taiwanese, no authentic Malay/Singapore/I…

What? This statement is so hyperbolic. - Pho in general in the US is pretty close to Pho in Ho Chi Minh. i.e. Turtle Tower doing Chicken Pho is pretty good and close. - Dim sum is dim sum. The places in Chinatown serve a Ha Gau or Siu Mai and largely the same in Hong Kong... how is it not authentic? - Japanese... Nigiri, sashimi is.... authentic? To say there's zero authentic Japanese seems too. Seriously, sashimi ho…

That style of pho is OK I find, I couldn’t find what I got in hanoi. I was on a quest for a good dimsum in SF and tried a bunch of places until I gave up, maybe I should try these places. Japanese is not just about sushi unfortunately.

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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Maybe "The Mandarin" was authentic, I don't think I went there, but having lived in SF for 11 years I never found any authentic asian food in SF. I found some in Fremont. There's plenty in San Gabriel, Alhambra, and other places on the north east side of LA but SF, nothing. No authentic Japanese, no authentic Chinese, no authentic Vietnamese, no authentic Korean, no authentic Taiwanese, no authentic Malay/Singapore/I…

Hmm, restaurants from Japan have opened locations in SF though. E.g. Hinodeya, Mensho, Tsuta. Did you feel even those weren't authentic? Similarly, Crystal Jade (RIP) re Chinese food.

They only do fat broth, when I was in Japan broth would be much lighter I found, here I die after a bowl of ramen.

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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To people who enjoys food: you never know what you've missed if you never been to Sichuan or Chongqing.

The weird thing about Chengdu is that they don’t have kungpao chicken, which is actually just Beijing-style Sichuan food. You can have inauthentic Chinese food even China.

https://youtu.be/-AZ87qyHQ88 The video is a Sichuan master chef showing the cooking procedure. He speaking of Sichuan accented mandarin.

Gongbao jiding is traditional Sichuan dish. You might simply did not see that on menu at chengdu. Sichuan has 80million people, chengdu 16million, it’s expected to see highly clustered food style even in a city.

Re: Cecilia Chiang, SF chef who brought authentic Chinese food to US, dies at 100

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To people who enjoys food: you never know what you've missed if you never been to Sichuan or Chongqing.

The weird thing about Chengdu is that they don’t have kungpao chicken, which is actually just Beijing-style Sichuan food. You can have inauthentic Chinese food even China.

North China cuisine is itself a reverse adaptation of Mongol/Manchu adaptation of Chinese cuisine.
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