My Resignation from the Intercept • Hacker News Board

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by fulafel » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:12 AM UTC

WillPostForFood wrote: post #768

Bhilai wrote: post #671

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WSJ has pretty biased opinion section though where they have almost no standards.

pretty biased opinion section Like, that's what an editorial page is? What you are really saying is, they don't have the same bias as you. As for standards, that's really unfair. They have high standards and are much more apt to invite opposing opinions than the NYT, or WaPo. They refused to endorse Trump in 2016. Good people can disagree with you for real reasons, not because they have lower standards.

There's bias and then there's intentional misleading. Providing a platform for the Koch etc funded think-tanks doesn't fit into "just bias". Eg their attempts to undermine climate science.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jlevers » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:17 AM UTC

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What do you make of the idea that independent journalists on the web being the future?

They are an alternative, but not a substitute for institutional journalism. News exists to give you an approximate representation of what is happening without having to invest too much effort in actual investigation. It is built on trust. If you have to build trust with each individual journalist you follow a la carte, then that makes the entry barrier to following the news much higher.

One source of news that I find particularly trustworthy and impartial (partially because there is no way to financially profit from twisting it, AFAIK) is Wikipedia's current events page[0].

Someone else shared this on HN in the last few weeks, and I've been looking at it almost daily.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by noobermin » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

It's not just journalists, it's the entire class of "thoughtleaders" and such in the tri-state area.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by fullshark » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:22 AM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #408

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Can you say with a straight face that the NY Times or WaPo has done that with liberals or Democratic candidates? Outside of tearing down Bernie Sanders I'd say it's a firm no. Prominent liberals like Alan Dershowitz say they're being socially blacklisted for not taking part in a pile on against Trump: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/us/alan-dershowitz-martha... Even being "neutral" is apparently not enough. It's e…

NYT consistently reported on Hillary Clinton's e-mails all throughout the 2016 campaign.

And her loss seems to have been a turning point for how they cover democratic candidates.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by noobermin » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:24 AM UTC

marcusverus wrote: post #411

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It's also the kind of story that can break someone's journalistic career. Even Fox News wouldn't run the story because it wasn't supported by facts. And last I heard, there still has been no concrete evidence of wrongdoing. Tucker Carlson claims that his evidence "got lost in the mail". In the age of the internet, they didn't snap any photos of this so-called proof? There is no "there" there. Just a bunch of internet…

Glenn Greenwald is a Pulitzer prize winning journalist. He broke the Snowden story--another sensational-sounding scoop which likely sounded like total bullshit at first. Is it possible that Mr. Greenwald is a better judge of whether or not there is a story here?

Was he trying to pitch an actual story with new evidence and sources or just an op-ed? I agree with the general idea that having Greenwald resign sucks but I don't really know if there is any real evidence behind the Hunter Biden story beyond what is sort of already obvious.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by noobermin » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:26 AM UTC

LiquidSky wrote: post #722

marcusverus wrote: post #411

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Glenn Greenwald is a Pulitzer prize winning journalist. He broke the Snowden story--another sensational-sounding scoop which likely sounded like total bullshit at first. Is it possible that Mr. Greenwald is a better judge of whether or not there is a story here?

No. The story is what the evidence supports. He had Snowden and plenty of credible evidence when he broke that story. He claims he had to leave because of intolerable political bias and censorship, The Intercept says it was because he wanted to publish claims that were not supported by the current evidence. If I understand correctly, Greenwald himself doesn't dispute that he doesn't have access to the files in questi…

This to me is the more interesting story. What happened here? I understand that russiagate made many people crazy, both those who believed it and those who vehemently fought against it. I don't however understand how some people became turned into complete contrarians over it like Greenwald seems to have.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by harry8 » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:31 AM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #783

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Australian journalist Emma Alberici[0] was eventually forced out of the national broadcaster the ABC due primarily to a single article she wrote that was critical of the Government's economic policies, pointing to historic evidence that the policies being pursued were ineffective against the problem the Government were attempting to solve.[1][2]. There are strong implications that the ABC was pressured into editing t…

How many corrections did Emma Alberici end up publishing on that one piece?

Nine ackowledged errors of _fact_ in one news artcile containing badly supported opinion. An article of the same quality written about the other major party when in power would have got a very similar response.

https://finance.nine.com.au/business-news/abc-senate-estimat...

"News story: government policies are garbage here's _nine_ errors of fact to support an non-opinion piece."

My opinion is that the government policies are garbage but I'm not pretending that's news, I'm not being paid by the national broadcaster to report news and I probably don't have nine errors of fact here.

There's plenty to look at in unfair media influence this story just wasn't it.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by markhahn » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:31 AM UTC

I like an underdog, but Greenwald is not behaving reasonably. If you read the article that the Intercept refused to publish, it's pretty awful. He's not skeptical about his own story, and surely that is the prime commandment of responsible journalism.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by alexilliamson » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:37 AM UTC

jccc wrote: post #767

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Those two deserve each other.

Please don’t do this here. The HN guidelines make clear the kind of community we’re going for is one that resists provocation toward the uninteresting. In particular: “ Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. ” “ Please don't sneer. ” “ Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. ” https://…

Out of all the comments in this thread, you chose this one to comment with HN guidelines?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ekianjo » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 4:39 AM UTC

jerry1979 wrote: post #712

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> Mind you I'm not saying WaPo and NYT are trash now WaPo and NYT aren't trash but they have fallen mightly. Which sucks because NYT easily has one of the best web design teams on the internet IMO and I used to look forward to reading it daily for over a decade. I'm still angry that they chose to go all Buzzfeed and hammer it everywhere politicially on their website. WSJ has been a fine replacement, but it's not as e…

NYT also helped sell America into Iraq.

Not just that, they chose to support the Bolshevik regime in Russia while their own correspondents knew about the massive starvation in Ukraine causing millions of deaths but that was not the narrative they want to push to the whole world. They wanted Communism to be a shining star and not report the facts. NYT is as biased as you can go.