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Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

mdoms wrote: post #75
clairity wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that seems beyond the scope of rails itself. why would you want to complicate deployment as a newbie? what problems are you facing that containerization specifically solves for you, rather than deploying to a (virtual) server directly? and why not heroku to start?

I'm a Rails newbie, not a software newbie. I was brought in as an engineer with no Rails experience but deep Cloud experience to help break a large complex monolith and yes, we're running into the same "DHH's way or the highway" quagmire that infests the Rails world, as mentioned in a sister comment.

When learning something new, it's usually best not to fight against the stream. After you understand it well, then your efforts to bring it into your old way of doing things will be more fruitful.

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #95
cambalache wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Javascript and Express, so in that sense they are OK. I hate the brittleness of the ecosystem, the "flavor of the month" character, and the explosion of options, there are people who like that setup: small programs that you can plug and play to create your whole stack, I find that tiresome, I prefer big monoliths in which the best options and practices are universally agreed upon. Ah and I hate Typescript, nic…

Somewhat ironic but not sure if you know, Typescript is made by Microsoft and the lead Typescript language architect is Anders Hejlsberg who also was heavily involved in the creation and architecture of C#.

There's no irony in finding limitations when building on a poorly planned foundation that don't exist when starting from a clean slate.

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by a_bonobo »

ritchiea wrote: post #56
leetrout wrote: post #53

I took a rails job by accident- I knew rails was in use but I was interviewed in Go and talked about new things going on in Go micro services. I didn’t expect 40 hours a week of rails / ember JS work and that’s my fault. I have 12 years with Django and I was shocked there wasn’t the equivalent of the Django tutorial. Everyone says the rails tutorial is good and I’m sure it’s worth the money but no one at work endorse…

It’s really surprisingly difficult to jump between Python and Ruby. And Rails and Django. They are just similar enough that you think the switch shouldn’t be so tough but all the differences really bite you. Whereas jumping into a completely different ecosystem like JS or Go you don’t have the part of your brain telling you “this isn’t that different, you’ll be fine, look for something familiar.”

Same for me between R's data-frames and Python pandas' data-frames, they kind of do the same thing but they're also just different enough to make switching hard, you're constantly stuck in an uncanny valley

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

lubesGordi wrote: post #82

I'm a back end C++/rust type and I script with Python. If I wanted to build a front end, is there any reason I'd use Ruby/Rails over Django? I'm not familiar with Rails but I'm curious if it's worthwhile to pick up.

Rails is a bit more productive. Being a slightly more-expressive language, Ruby has a considerable edge when it comes to DSLs.

Whether it's worth it for you to learn or not depends on how quickly you can pick it up and how important the web app part is to you.

Edit: Why is yazmeya's sibling comment flagged? It's not a glib one-liner and it's clearly an attempt to be helpful.

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by stjohnswarts »

pugio wrote: post #34
siquick wrote: post #31

Asking someone to learn a brand new framework/language in a week as part of a job interview is pretty harsh.

That's actually exactly the kind of skill I'd look for in a new hire. I don't care which crunchy items you list on your resume so much as your ability to learn and integrate new technical information quickly (as well as a host of other skills, of course). That said, learning a new thing does take a lot of time, so if I were asking a person to do that I would either commit to hiring them if they complete the learning…

I was going to say "Fine as long as you pay me for the effort", no way I would do this for free. I've had friends get scammed by having them "work out this problem" that takes a few days to complete. Usually it's a scam to get free work. Especially in the web and phone app world

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by skipants »

cortesoft wrote: post #94
pqdbr wrote: post #2

Having picked up Rails 9 years ago and having been using it literally daily ever since, it's joyful to read from someone that is just starting. I also started with https://www.railstutorial.org/book , highly recommend it. I also loved Metaprogramming Ruby (Paolo Perrotta) - it's more advanced and starts to open your mind to how Rails magic DSL's were built. I just bought today "Rebuilding Rails" ( https://rebuilding-…

I really should try Rails again. I LOVE ruby, but have been anti-rails for a while and I am not sure I am right for that. I got into Ruby programming through Rails... but in 2005. Rails was brand new (I think I was on version like 0.12 or something?), and I slowly moved away from it to things like Sinatra and Sequel. Rails had some huge performance issues, and active record was pretty unusable at any sort of scale un…

It's definitely a lot better -- performance-wise -- now. It has its flaws but I still feel like its one of the best frameworks out there.

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by aplummer »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #97
pqdbr wrote: post #2

Having picked up Rails 9 years ago and having been using it literally daily ever since, it's joyful to read from someone that is just starting. I also started with https://www.railstutorial.org/book , highly recommend it. I also loved Metaprogramming Ruby (Paolo Perrotta) - it's more advanced and starts to open your mind to how Rails magic DSL's were built. I just bought today "Rebuilding Rails" ( https://rebuilding-…

I read all of those and would like to add two more: 1) Learn to Program , by Chris Pine. It's the best book I've read on learning to program in any language. 2) Practical Ruby Projects: Ideas for the Eclectic Programmer, by Topher Cyll. In a sense it wasn't "practical" at all. But it was a joyous eye-opener to all kinds of applications that turned me into a whirlwind of enthusiasm for months!

> Learn to Program, by Chris Pine

My first programming book, 10 years ago in a few months I think. Great read.

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by whakim »

mdoms wrote: post #20
nickjj wrote: post #14

Rails is in a really good place. When I learned it back in 2015 there were so many resources for learning, it felt like every time I had a specific problem related to a feature I was implementing there was either a railscasts or gorails video on it, along with 10 blog posts and stack overflow results. I can only imagine how much better it is now. It has been one of the only semi-modern learning experiences where I wa…

> It's definitely noticeable when you try to learn a newer framework with a much smaller community and less opinions. You could end up Googling for what you might think is a common thing to solve only to find zero answers in sight I have felt this exact way when I'm Googling for problems running Rails in modern cloud environments. It seems like there are loads of problems that are largely unsolved in the community at…

As someone who learned Rails for the first time last year (previously worked on C++, C#, and Python projects), I concur. I find that most of the SO posts/other discussion of Rails stuff tends to be older, usually pre-2015, and that can be painful when dealing with any technologies that have substantially changed in the past 5+ years.

Re: Ruby on Rails in a week

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Post by [deleted] »

raesene9 wrote: post #6
pqdbr wrote: post #2

Having picked up Rails 9 years ago and having been using it literally daily ever since, it's joyful to read from someone that is just starting. I also started with https://www.railstutorial.org/book , highly recommend it. I also loved Metaprogramming Ruby (Paolo Perrotta) - it's more advanced and starts to open your mind to how Rails magic DSL's were built. I just bought today "Rebuilding Rails" ( https://rebuilding-…

Those are great resources. One I'd add to it, for general ruby programming, is the Well Grounded Rubyist ( https://www.manning.com/books/the-well-grounded-rubyist-thir... ) . It's been kept up to date (3rd edition was released in 2019) and I found it very readable and informative.

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