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Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

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Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

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> To be fair it was usually small, inconsequential things I’ve always wondered about this bit: “One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all”

The "under God" was added after the fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_...

The liberty and justice parts are questionable too.

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

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Or how wings work.

For anyone thats interested in what the parent is talking about: http://www3.eng.cam.ac.uk/outreach/Project-resources/Wind-tu... I've had people get like legit upset at me when i correct this.

That's the now famous Bernouilli vs Newton debate.

Personally, I am in camp Newton. Not that Bernouilli doesn't work, they both give the same results in the end, and they are both a simplification of the "truth" which is the Navier-Stokes equations.

The reason I like the Newton explanation better is that if you start with the Bernouilli principle, it is much easier to come up with the wrong idea. The Newton is straightforward: push air down, plane goes up. A bit shallower but at least, the basic idea is hard to get wrong.

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#53
post #35

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No, actually friction is closer to the truth. It's air running into air at a shock, a process that generates entropy, just as friction does. Compression is a process that is adiabatic, generating no entropy. And in an ideal gas the density increase across a shock reaches a finite limit even as the mach number goes to infinity.

I am having trouble seeing how compression in a shock would be isentropic? Care to elaborate? And why passing through a shock (compression) is akin to friction, but not to compression?

Because compression, as normally considered, does not generate entropy. It causes gas to become hotter because the temperature has to be higher for entropy to remain constant, as the volume is reduced. This is a reversible process. But shocks are inherently irreversible.

But as my last sentence said, as the mach number goes to infinity the density increase across the shock is finite. Therefore, compression cannot be the (primary) source of the heating; dissipation is.

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#54
post #42

Finally! I always knew my 7th grade science teacher was full of shit on that one, she was so adamant about some things that turned out to be wrong. This one was maybe more excusable because it was common to teach at the time. Maybe it ended up making us better students in the end because we learned to fact-check our teachers, and not to be adamant about things we only think are true (though I'm still guilty of that m…

Most school teachers are full of it, but they don’t mean to. They are simply low level clerics in the church of truth. They recite a very lossy account of what they were ordained with at a likely low level institution. It’s not really their fault - people need jobs, the ministry needs repeaters, and the pay is bad. Your teachers weren’t the disease - they were just a symptom.

This idea of a shadowy unified people that control everything is a poor way to try to make sense of the world.

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#55
post #42

Finally! I always knew my 7th grade science teacher was full of shit on that one, she was so adamant about some things that turned out to be wrong. This one was maybe more excusable because it was common to teach at the time. Maybe it ended up making us better students in the end because we learned to fact-check our teachers, and not to be adamant about things we only think are true (though I'm still guilty of that m…

Most school teachers are full of it, but they don’t mean to. They are simply low level clerics in the church of truth. They recite a very lossy account of what they were ordained with at a likely low level institution. It’s not really their fault - people need jobs, the ministry needs repeaters, and the pay is bad. Your teachers weren’t the disease - they were just a symptom.

I mean, the HS teacher that told me this had a masters in Mech E. Or so he claimed, hmm...

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#56

Finally! I always knew my 7th grade science teacher was full of shit on that one, she was so adamant about some things that turned out to be wrong. This one was maybe more excusable because it was common to teach at the time. Maybe it ended up making us better students in the end because we learned to fact-check our teachers, and not to be adamant about things we only think are true (though I'm still guilty of that m…

The article says the glass does actually have a viscosity, so maybe she was not quite that wrong - just about the magnitude.

I think glass has a viscosity, but other solids do not, but will creep.

I hope my understanding is correct - if not, can anyone help explain?

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#57
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most school teachers are full of it, but they don’t mean to. They are simply low level clerics in the church of truth. They recite a very lossy account of what they were ordained with at a likely low level institution. It’s not really their fault - people need jobs, the ministry needs repeaters, and the pay is bad. Your teachers weren’t the disease - they were just a symptom.

This idea of a shadowy unified people that control everything is a poor way to try to make sense of the world.

“They” refers to the teachers in this context. Sorry to assume you spoke English as a first language.

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#58
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most school teachers are full of it, but they don’t mean to. They are simply low level clerics in the church of truth. They recite a very lossy account of what they were ordained with at a likely low level institution. It’s not really their fault - people need jobs, the ministry needs repeaters, and the pay is bad. Your teachers weren’t the disease - they were just a symptom.

I mean, the HS teacher that told me this had a masters in Mech E. Or so he claimed, hmm...

He must not have been the top of his class if he had ended up a HS teacher.

Which is actually kinda sad. Pay and working conditions for teachers shouldn't be so that being a teacher is regarded as a failure.

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

#59
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most school teachers are full of it, but they don’t mean to. They are simply low level clerics in the church of truth. They recite a very lossy account of what they were ordained with at a likely low level institution. It’s not really their fault - people need jobs, the ministry needs repeaters, and the pay is bad. Your teachers weren’t the disease - they were just a symptom.

I mean, the HS teacher that told me this had a masters in Mech E. Or so he claimed, hmm...

It’s amazing a man would work for a masters degree and end up teaching mainly below average people at a public institution. What’s a masters degree worth?

Re: Glass viscosity calculations debunk the myth of flow in medieval windows (2017)

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the HS teacher that told me this had a masters in Mech E. Or so he claimed, hmm...

It’s amazing a man would work for a masters degree and end up teaching mainly below average people at a public institution. What’s a masters degree worth?

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