Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

My Resignation from the Intercept

greenwald.substack.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

541–550 of 1001 posts

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#541

Post by serial_dev »

Nacdor wrote: post #42
gkoberger wrote: post #3

Greenwald has really fascinated me the past decade. He was on track to being one of the most prolific reporters on the planet, and he has gone really down this weird victimhood "censorship" path. Sometimes it’s legitimate censorship. Other times, your editor is just insisting you don’t spread misinformation.

Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

> In the end that was clearly the correct choice

You think (and to be honest, I agree with you) it was clearly the correct choice. If you ask anyone from the MSNBC/NYT/CNN/WaPo's audience (substantial amount of people), they will say it was clearly the wrong choice.

Two movies on one screen.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#542

Post by ceejayoz »

Nacdor wrote: post #485
sandwichest wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election" This is bordering on hyperbole. 1. Glenn Greenwald isn't one to produce a "Garbage Story," he's a credible journalist with a long history of dropping bombshells. He's dropped bombshells about both the right AND the left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Awards 2. It's the j…

The most shocking part of this whole fiasco is the way The Intercept's editors blatantly play favorites, allowing disinformation that helps Biden while censoring a legitimate story that hurts him: > 4) Finally, I have to note what I find to be the incredible irony that The Intercept -- which has published more articles than I can count that contain factually dubious claims if not outright falsehoods that are designed…

> The Intercept -- which has published more articles than I can count that contain factually dubious claims if not outright falsehoods that are designed to undermine Trump's candidacy or protect Joe Biden -- is now telling me, someone who has never had an article retracted or even seriously corrected in 15 years, that my journalism doesn't meet the editorial requirements to be published at the Intercept.

IMO, this makes Greenwald look bad. “I was willing to be a part of a knowingly incorrect news organization until it affected me directly.”

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#543

Post by untog »

eric_b wrote: post #431
r721 wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Betsy Reed's statement: https://twitter.com/ErikWemple/status/1321896097099489283 https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

She attacks him personally without ever refuting any of his points. She hand waves that they will correct the record "in time." Her response is riddled with sensationalist language. I'm gonna go with Greenwald's version of events on this one. This person seems fully compromised.

I'd suggest reading the e-mail thread regarding the article:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-edito...

The editor in no way seems compromised to me. There's a lot of very clear, straightforward and polite feedback. I suspect what we're seeing in the statement is a great deal of frustration, which is perhaps not surprising.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#544

Post by darkerside »

umvi wrote: post #49
m52go wrote: post #12

What happens when Glenn fails to conform to Substack's standards? To my knowledge Substack hasn't censored yet, but it's inevitable. Glenn should just start his own site, in my opinion.

Hosted with whom? Some private company no doubt that could be pressured to censor if a big enough twitterstorm came along.

You seriously think AWS or Google is going to shut down a private independent journalism website because of a Twitter storm? When has that happened in the past that makes it remotely possible?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#545

Post by mikeruhl »

meanwhile, we are watching Trump's entire family profit from DTJ's presidency. Why doesn't Greenwald write a story about that? His article is basically, "well no one confirmed none of the deals happened! So there's still a chance!" Come on man, we're watching this unfold in real time in the current administration. Clean your own house.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#546

Post by insickness »

ciarannolan wrote: post #369
uncoder0 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence. Senate Homeland Security committee and DNI director both said that this was not an issue of foreign disinfo. In addition there is an interview from one of the co-cons…

> Senate Homeland Security committee and DNI director [...] Both of these are partisan, unreliable sources. The DNI used to be a nonpartisan that you could at least trust somewhat. Not anymore.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it is Russian disinfo, not to prove that it is not. No one has any proof that it is. And Greenwald lays out plenty of reasons in his article why the documents are likely real.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#547

Post by dkarl »

sandwichest wrote: post #478
bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

> "If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election" This is bordering on hyperbole. 1. Glenn Greenwald isn't one to produce a "Garbage Story," he's a credible journalist with a long history of dropping bombshells. He's dropped bombshells about both the right AND the left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Awards 2. It's the j…

As I wrote in another comment, his faith that the story is there, if only he can find it, is what makes a good investigative journalist, but in this case he wants to publish a story built around that faith and nothing else. What his editor wanted him to take out was his insinuation that other news outlets' failure to come up with corroborating evidence is evidence that they are protecting Joe Biden, despite the fact that he, just like them, is a high-profile professional journalist that has looked into the story and found nothing to corroborate it. On this topic, there is nothing that separates him from any other journalist except his desire to communicate, through his coverage of the same lack of evidence that they already reported, his confidence that the evidence exists.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#548

Post by sandwichest »

untog wrote: post #514
sandwichest wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election" This is bordering on hyperbole. 1. Glenn Greenwald isn't one to produce a "Garbage Story," he's a credible journalist with a long history of dropping bombshells. He's dropped bombshells about both the right AND the left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Awards 2. It's the j…

edit: never talk politics on HN, how many times must I tell this to myself

I applaud your self-awareness untog. A good friend once told me

"Never read the comments"

Later expanded to:

"Never respond to the comments"

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#549

Post by whimsicalism »

untog wrote: post #543
eric_b wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She attacks him personally without ever refuting any of his points. She hand waves that they will correct the record "in time." Her response is riddled with sensationalist language. I'm gonna go with Greenwald's version of events on this one. This person seems fully compromised.

I'd suggest reading the e-mail thread regarding the article: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-edito... The editor in no way seems compromised to me. There's a lot of very clear, straightforward and polite feedback. I suspect what we're seeing in the statement is a great deal of frustration, which is perhaps not surprising.

Just because it's clear, straightforward, and polite doesn't mean that it is right or we should uncritically accept it.

As an example, I've read many "clear, straightforward, and polite" illegal eviction letters sent by landlords in the past few months.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

#550

Post by rodgerd »

TearsInTheRain wrote: post #333
nebolo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you be a bit more specific on what you believe to be so important/surprising/relevant about this story that would make an entire journalistic career? What is the story that is not being told, and actively being suppressed? I have been following this quite closely and can't see it.

Did you watch the Tony Babulinksi interview with Tucker Carlson? It shows that Joe Biden had an ownership stake in and was directly involved with his son's company that received a 5-10 million forgivable loan from a top member of the Chinese Communist party. This directly contradicts claims Joe Biden has made throughout his campaign and at the last debate.

Tucker Carlson is a professional entertainer. Why are you mentioning him in a discussion of journalism?
Post reply on HN