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Not so long ago the heir to the Red Bull fortune was alleged to have driven his Ferrari through a police check point at speed, killing an officer. Since it was a police officer killed, the matter was investigated and the mangled Ferrari found on the estate. One of the house hold staff came forward, claiming he was the driver. Apparently this is somewhat expected in these situations. But it did ruffle lots of feathers…

It may sound a bit barbaric, but the family of the victim might be better off with a chunk of money than with the knowledge that the perpetrator is serving time. (However, if you look at the incentives and deterrence, inflicting inefficient punishment like sending someone to prison for a long time, might still make sense.)

> the family of the victim might be better off with a chunk of money than with the knowledge that the perpetrator is serving time.

Justice isn't always about providing benefit to those harmed. It's also about providing a framework in which crime is avoided by all because they know there are repercussions they can't avoid.

When the expectation is that you're rich and you can get away with killing someone either through paying someone to take the fall or bribery, then that will happen more often. If the expectation is that everyone is equal under the law, that will happen less.

The US isn't perfect in this regard, but I think it's a lot better than what's being described here. If Ivanka Trump drove recklessly and killed someone, it would be a lot harder for it to play out the same way here. That's not to say she would necessarily face justice, just that it's a lot harder to get out of it, so there wouldn't necessarily be an expectation that it will go away. There's a huge difference in expecting to get away with something and knowing it's uncertain when the consequences are years in prison.

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If spotify stops taking my money I and millions others will go buy music somewhere else. Spotify is not exactly popular with non-superstar musicians either.

Like where? It's not exactly a bustling market -- Google is dead since they killed Play Music and tried to force everyone to YT, Apple Music pretty much only appeals to Apple users, and all the other alternatives have relatively small catalogs. I'm not trying to be combative, I'm legitimately asking: what alternatives to Spotify are there?

The premise was that Spotify would decide it wasn't worth the bother to service the EU (or another market) due to GDPR (or a similar law). In that event, I have no doubt that an alternative or two would emerge.

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as a teenager, i remember marveling at a friend who could successfully walk into bars and order drinks. you have to both look the part and play the part (i could do neither). even at places that carded, they wanted to serve you, so the ID had to only provide enough plausible deniability to the bouncer or bartender to credibly claim they were duped into serving you. i'm sure some bartenders secretly got a kick out of…

>plausible deniability to the bouncer or bartender to credibly claim they were duped into serving you The "serving alcohol to minors" laws are strict liability in some states, for this reason.

yes, that and making IDs much harder to fake credibly.

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archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20201028172931/https://www.union...

Thanks. Can't believe sites still do the 'we're unable to show you a page because ... GDPR'.

"Our treatment of your private data is so bad, it's literally illegal in large swathes of the world" is what I read when I see one of those messages.

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Yeah but what makes a document 'original'? There's no hashsum, NFC or anything in those fancy pieces of paper is it?

Actually, there is. Official diploma's are watermarked and numbered in the same way that money is. I used to work at a factory that produced the raw paper for such documents, and the amount of logging and auditing for each sheet/roll of paper that moved through the factory was immense.

Yeah but they are useless without some very intricate verification API/human.

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In college there was a beer delivery service that would even deliver directly to the dorm if you gave that as your address. If you paid with your debit card over the phone, they wouldn't even card you since the beer was already bought and paid for. One time they did check, and my friend lied and said he didn't have his ID with him. Then the delivery guy who was probably only a couple years older than us just asked to…

> Then the delivery guy who was probably only a couple years older than us just asked to see his actual underage ID to prove he wasn't a cop and handed us the beer anyway. The liquor enforcement folks (usually not cops, AFAIK) could easily hire someone under 21 to attempt to purchase alcohol. In fact, I'm pretty sure that in some places they do exactly this.

I worked as a cashier at a place that sold liquor and we would occasionally get decoys. It was usually the same young guy who would try to purchase a single beer, without saying a word.

If the cashier asked for his i.d., the guy would silently hand them card that said something like, "Congratulations, you did not fail the underage liquor sales test", and then leave.

After the 4th or 5th time of the same person trying the same purchase most of the employees learned who he was. I think law enforcement did eventually switch to a different decoy towards the end of my time at the job.

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Thanks. I'm visiting the UK, and I'm astonished at how many sites are blocked.

They're not blocked, they're blocking themselves.

They're still blocked, regardless of who is doing the blocking.

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Positively identifying people was very difficult before fingerprinting came along. The police used all kinds of schemes of erratic accuracy.

Isn't photo ID much more relevant for the above than fingerprints? Usually fingerprints are used to investigate crime scenes, not to ascertain identity of an already known person (you don't normally ascertain that this person here is Alex A by their fingerprints - you use them to see if Alex A was in the room where the jewelry got stolen).

Fingerprints are much more reliable than photos.

I was watching a show on TV last night where they were minutely examining a newly discovered photo of Lincoln to see if it was really Lincoln or someone else. One analyst gave it an "85% probability it was Lincoln".

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This might or might not be true, but it's not the origin of "the butler did it". The origin of the phrase is in the classical detective story trope.

> The origin of the phrase is in the classical detective story trope. Which, if I'm not mistaken, itself doesn't derive from household staff taking the fall for their employers, but from them being omnipresent but, by strong social custom, ignored.

Yeah, I'm fairly sure that's the case. So while checking the motives of the high society suspects, nobody would suspect the lowly butler -- which, in another trope, had some dark past related to the family he was employeed at...

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The latter two explicitly acknowledge that spotting fraud is a probabilistic activity.

If it was certain, one wouldn't need multiple layers of security.

Yes, definitely. It's just that much of the discussion about controls and checks is often framed in the language of certainty.
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