Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this just pedantry? I'm making room for an interpretation, that's all. Hospitals are a special case. No reason to read any attitude into it. And no reason for a deliberately argumentative response.
Come on. I already posted a link showing that hospitals are not a special case, remember? That's so obvious to not merit discussion.
FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
331–340 of 357 posts
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
To make matters even more complicated, even the anti-fascists (aka "antifa") have become the enemy too.
If only there were a word to describe the people who are anti-antifa.
Pronounced like the Yiddish word Feh.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming no competitor exist, which they do for many health insurance situations. There would be plenty of competitors to choose from if everyone was required to choose from healthcare.gov.
incompatible with 'already low margin' - this suggests that there isn't much more any competitor could do to offer lower prices. besides, i think the issue is the cost of the underlying procedures - doctors charge maximum what the insurance company will pay instead of what the patient would pay. there are plenty of stories where a patient is billed $100 but if they say they don't want it out of insurance the price dr…
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if the insurance companies form a cartel (in the economic sense). People will switch carriers to ones with lower premiums so the market forces direct costs down to parity. Most costs are outside of insurer's control anyway, regulations prevent insurance companies from telling providers how to offer care as long as the care is medically necessary and the standard of care.
If both the insurance and the hospital earns money by raising the price we will get what we have today where insurance covered procedures are more expensive than none covered procedures.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
NotPetya is a good example. Looked like a broad ransomware attack very similar to the earlier Petya attack. Turned out it was very likely a broad cover for a very narrow attack against Ukraine’s power grid during Russian invasion.
Say what you will about Russia, but I don't believe they'd attack hospitals dealing with COVID in the middle of the pandemic as a cover for some kind of attack. I know anti-Russia propaganda is at its height now and I even admit it's weird watching how worked up Americans get about stuff they're been doing all around the world since WWII, but as bad as Russia might be, I don't really buy they're behind it.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
To fix medical service affordability we need to bring down the cost of the services instead of expecting significantly more efficient insurance plans. We can’t insure away high costs. They just pass through the costs via premium and deductible increases. Even if health insurers were nonprofits that would only directly save us 5%. High deductibles encouraging shopping around but price discovery is very limited as even…
I agree. I believe that the government should definitely control health care and college costs, otherwise they're just attacking the symptoms.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good God no! I get where you're coming from but you've clearly not worked in this field. Heath Care IT is a disaster that was CREATED by regulation written in a different era of computing. The whole industry is terrified of making changes because of the multi-year hoops they're forced to jump through to release them; you don't flog a horse for stopping when you pull on the reins. The correct solution is to change the…
I don't think the OP was advocating for punishing the hospitals, but rather the ransomware authors.
1) Security in healthcare is a shit show. If there are lots of open exploits, there needs to be a fast way for them to get fixed and the software vendors shamed on.
2) when someone discovers an exploit, they shouldn’t have to fight lawsuits. The response to security flaws should not be suppressing them but fixing them ASAP.
3) people shouldn’t have to lose lives to make a point that security is weak and you better pay up for disregarding it.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#338This is not what we need in these final chapters of 2020 with COVID cases spiking. > Charles Carmakal, senior vice president for Mandiant, told Reuters that UNC1878 is one of most brazen, heartless, and disruptive threat actors he’s observed over the course of his career. This is what terrorism looks like in 2020. Horrifying, terrifying, disgusting.
If Hospitals nation-wide are under attack, it's a massive national security issue.
We need to figure out some kind of new way to secure general purpose devices - and also - there needs to be much more investment in thwarting and retaliating against these people.
If some random hackers and do this - imagine how badly and quickly a foreign state actor with deep pockets could shut things down.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
Attacking a hospital is a war crime, so how is it not terrorism?
Isn't terrorism trying to achieve a political goal through violence? Getting ransom money is just garden variety greed imo.
Re: FBI, DHS, HHS Warn of Imminent Ransomware Threat Against U.S. Hospitals
#340This is not what we need in these final chapters of 2020 with COVID cases spiking. > Charles Carmakal, senior vice president for Mandiant, told Reuters that UNC1878 is one of most brazen, heartless, and disruptive threat actors he’s observed over the course of his career. This is what terrorism looks like in 2020. Horrifying, terrifying, disgusting.
>terrorism Isn't ransomware profit-motivated? I thought with terrorism the goal was fear rather than profit.