My Resignation from the Intercept • Hacker News Board

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by lubesGordi » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt over your incredibly arrogant assumption that he just wrote a 'garbage story' and is being legitimately dropped. WTF.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by notsureaboutpg » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

zzleeper wrote: post #371

A year or so ago I was about to donate to the Interept and went to their website to do so. There, together with Bolsonaro investigations I was quite surprised that a lot of Greenwald's stance was quite pro Russia, anti democrats. Not sure in what parallel universe he lives where he thinks that one week before the election Trump needs his help with anti Biden op-eds. What is he thinking?

Greenwood has always been "pro-Russia" because of how Snowden was able to stay away in Russia from whatever date laid in wait for him in the US.

People seem to forget why Greenwald and Poitras are famous in the first place. Why would he be for the party that tried to kill his source and which he had to stand up against to publish the stories that made him famous? Why would he be against the nation that shielded that source from life imprisonment (and possibly death)?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by anoonmoose » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

disown wrote: post #313

throwaway2048 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of boilerplate handwringing about how this is the end of free speech and a reliable media, that kind of stuff gets posted over and over again in every article of this nature. Its not particularly interesting, or relevant, especially after being repeated ad nauseum.

Really, most of the top comments are those defending censorship and those sneakily trying to undermine free speech and support the censorship of a journalist. > Its not particularly interesting, or relevant, especially after being repeated ad nauseum. Fighting for free speech is that offense to you huh? You wouldn't happen to be a journalist?

It's mostly that I think your definition of "free speech" is absurd and so are your claims of censorship.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

1980phipsi wrote: post #45

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

I would withhold any opinion that it is a "garbage story" until actually reading it...

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by purple_ferret » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

Sounds like his major problem was having basically no involvement in the company because he's been in Brazil. The Intercept is only 6 years old and all the editors have been there since basically the beginning...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by meundies9 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:44 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #216

mundo wrote: post #180

It seems impossible to hold a strong opinion on this without reading the article, and in particular, seeing how it is sourced. The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence. If Greenwald has evidence to the contrar…

It is undeniably not fabricated Russian intelligence. We have: - e-mails which have been confirmed by the others on the e-mails - videos of hunter biden engaging in sexual activity while doing hard drugs - text messages between hunter and various family and associates - audio tapes of Hunter Biden's voice talking about his Chinese business partner disappearing - financial documents of the agreement between various pa…

Jeez you are so dumb

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by pvg » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

The Intercept's editor-in-chief has put out a statement of their own.

https://twitter.com/ErikWemple/status/1321896097099489283

Greenwald himself just confirmed on twitter he could publish with no editorial oversight. Eventually, his colleagues balked. "A grown person throwing a tantrum", as the editor puts it, sounds about right.

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Post by kolanos » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

> ...garbage story...

> I want to be clear that I'm not claiming to know the truth as it relates to this story...

Make up your mind.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by lostdog » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

parliament32 wrote: post #324

I like how this link is being suppressed from the front page of HN as well. 309 points in 1 hour, and it's at #52 instead of a single digit ranking as you'd expect. In comparison, the current #1-#3 have 175-80 points in 2-3 hours.

Given the number of comments and downvoted comments, it almost certainly set off an automated flamewar detector.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by president » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

It's more that journalists don't want to upset their boss and their boss doesn't want to upset their boss and all the way up the chain. Somewhere in that chain is someone that is aligned with getting that particular story suppressed. The issue here is that somewhere along the way, keeping your job became more valuable than keeping your integrity. Happens in tech all the time in my experience.