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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by reaperducer »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #188
blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

In the general sense, it's not a new problem. One of the main points I got from Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier), is that journalists print what the government says because it's convenient -- it's less work to print what the government (or anyone else) says at a press conference than to do your own research -- AND even when it comes to privately given info, becau…

Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier),

While it may be good work, it's so out of date it's useless as a tool for evaluating the media landscape of today.

I spent 20 years as a journalist and can tell you from first-hand experience and the contacts I have kept in the industry that the media today is not the same as the media of 2010, or 2000, or 1990, and certainly not the 1970's.

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Post by some-guy »

epistasis wrote: post #132
nimbius wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right". Occhams razor: Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is G…

After the past few years, I do not share that assessment of Greenwald in the least. Following him on Twitter for a while caused the scales to fall from my eyes. I think he's done some good things in the past, but currently he seems off his rocker, honesty. People can change as they age, and I think he clearly has.

I followed him on Twitter due to my respect of his earlier journalism work, and I agree completely. I'm not sure he's changed though, and I think that's kind of the problem--all of his tweets stem from holding a grudge the old neoliberal guard of the 2000s onward, while getting some kind of high off of the chaos that the Trump administration introduced into the political establishment (not just to Democrats).

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Post by mathnovice »

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

I'm going to trust Glenn Greenwald's knowledge of journalistic ethics over yours.

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Post by uncoder0 »

technoplato wrote: post #307
CogentHedgehog wrote: post #64

Keep in mind we're just seeing Greenwald's side of this. It sure sounds like he's trying to paint it a way that makes him look good and the Intercept look bad. Lots of claims of "censorship" etc. I want to hear their side of it as well. My guess is that there's a lot more to this story. My guess is if all his peers thought the claims were not solid enough to publish, there is probably a reason for that -- not simply…

This is definitely true, but why is this post removed from the front page? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24934192 Edit: I'm a moron and it just dropped a bunch suddenly. Was not removed.

From what I have observed anything even tangentially related the Biden stories gets to the front page quickly and sometimes it sticks there for a few minutes then gets flagged enough to start dropping down the ranks. This one lasted a lot longer on the front page than most have.

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Post by Nacdor »

archagon wrote: post #334
Nacdor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

> clearly the correct choice I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but saying something with confidence doesn't actually make it true.

You're right, the Mueller report is what makes it true: https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-m...

> Mueller, in addition to concluding that evidence was insufficient to charge any American with crimes relating to Russian election interference, also stated emphatically in numerous instances that there was no evidence – not merely that there was insufficient evidence to obtain a criminal conviction – that key prongs of this three-year-old conspiracy theory actually happened. As Mueller himself put it: “in some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event.”

$35 million wasted on an investigation that started with a FISA warrant based on a phony report (Steele Dossier) commissioned by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

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Post by anonymousiam »

Objective journalism is dead. Glen Greenwald is not by any measure a Republican or a conservative, but he is a good objective journalist. It's a shame that a newspaper he co-founded will not print one of his stories because of their non-objective partisanship, but unfortunately this is all too common today.

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Post by disown »

haberman wrote: post #186
bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

In this thread I am seeing both "this story is already running non-stop on Fox, there's no censorship", and "if the editors didn't censor this, it would poison the election, and that's too big of a risk."

Not only do they justify censorship, there is a suspicious amount of comments trying to minimize or delegitimize greenwald in a sneaky boilerplate response: "I used to think he was a good journalist", "I used to respect his journalism 5 years ago", etc. And of course trying to tie greenwald to russia. The exact same thing you see on assange related post.

The sad thing is a lot of these commenters are journalists or work in the news industry. Sad thing to see.

Not to mention the downvote brigading.

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Post by ciarannolan »

uncoder0 wrote: post #217
mundo wrote: post #180

It seems impossible to hold a strong opinion on this without reading the article, and in particular, seeing how it is sourced. The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence. If Greenwald has evidence to the contrar…

>The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence. Senate Homeland Security committee and DNI director both said that this was not an issue of foreign disinfo. In addition there is an interview from one of the co-cons…

> Senate Homeland Security committee and DNI director [...]

Both of these are partisan, unreliable sources. The DNI used to be a nonpartisan that you could at least trust somewhat. Not anymore.

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

Trump for years has attacked the media - what do you expect?

And now I'm supposed to suddenly accept this "scandal" conveniently placed right before the election in a literal tabloid with a huge conservative bent?

I mean how can anyone who doesn't support Trump already buy in? And then it's "oh my god censorship!!!". Give me a break.

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