My Resignation from the Intercept • Hacker News Board

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ehsankia » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #191

stumblers wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll have to listen to the podcast, but I think you're way off in thinking this kind of story makes careers. Journalists take their credibility very seriously and this story doesn't have it, at least not yet if it ever will. Going with a story that hasn't been vetted marks a serious journalist as a dupe for the rest of their lives.

You're propagating disinfo - in the real sense of the word, not the modern Orwellian meaning - with this line of criticism. Because this is a story that has absolutely been vetted, but the issue is all of the left-leaning mainstream media (read: literally everyone except parts of Fox News) have absolutely refused to cover this story. Do you really believe if the same story were about a member of the Trump family, tha…

Take a minute to step back. What do you think is more probable. That every single news organization out there, every single journalist, including NPR as you mention, are trying to hide this very real story and are wrong, while the one publication is in the right. Or that maybe, just maybe, it's the other way around and NYP published something that has not been well vetted?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nickysielicki » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

CogentHedgehog wrote: post #64

Keep in mind we're just seeing Greenwald's side of this. It sure sounds like he's trying to paint it a way that makes him look good and the Intercept look bad. Lots of claims of "censorship" etc. I want to hear their side of it as well. My guess is that there's a lot more to this story. My guess is if all his peers thought the claims were not solid enough to publish, there is probably a reason for that -- not simply…

> not simply a desire to "censor" someone they've worked with for years.

This reads as though you're implying The Intercept existed independently of Greenwald. They didn't, he co-founded The Intercept. He ought to (and I imagine, he does) have seniority on any editor.

I think it speaks volumes about him as a journalist and his journalistic integrity that he setup The Intercept as an outlet where he and his co-founders don't rule with iron fists. His submissions aren't treated specially. It's not his mouthpiece.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by whimsicalism » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

watermelonhead wrote: post #205

karl11 wrote: post #117

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You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

Media is completely sold out in the country. A purge is incoming.

What is the "real" media in your view?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by amadeuspagel » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:37 PM UTC

dkural wrote: post #183

Nacdor wrote: post #42

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Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

My conclusion is the opposite. The Mueller report was heavily redacted, and misrepresented by AG Barr - precisely because it is so damning. Trump got impeached by congress over the Ukraine scandal later on, again enlisting foreign help. Trump asked a foreign power to help him against a political opponent - the Ukraine facts are not in dispute. Trump's campaign took multiple meetings with Russians bearing emails, and…

> The Mueller report was heavily redacted, and misrepresented by AG Barr

Why would Mueller not say anything to that effect then?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by benmmurphy » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:37 PM UTC

threatofrain wrote: post #129

Nacdor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

Tucker Carlson just announced on Twitter that he has lost critical documents relating to the alleged wrongdoings of Hunter Biden. This was moments before Glenn Greenwald's resignation.

he also tweeted that he has access to copies of the documents and UPS now have come out and said they found the missing documents.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ups-said-found-lost-tucker-c...

probably, just a weird coincidence but tucker wasn't lying about the situation.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by happytoexplain » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:37 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #101

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right". Occhams razor: Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is G…

>Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond [reproach]

This isn't my experience at all, at least not for many years (speaking both in terms of my own opinion of his writing and the apparent opinions of others).

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ivalm » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:38 PM UTC

meowface wrote: post #221

ivalm wrote: post #86

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It is about emails which have no headers, that are impossible to verify, that were “known to fbi” for a long time but didn’t produce any action (because likely fake), and that are specifically being pushed to change outcome of election despite, again, no real evidence of their veracity.

They should be treated with caution and skepticism, but you seem to be using motivated reasoning without an impartial look of the actual probabilities. There's no hard proof they're real and no hard proof they're doctored. This requires a rigorous analysis, not dismissal.

“Facts” conveniently dropped right before election whose veracity cannot be proven and which were clearly placed to affect the election outcome should be treated as fake and not promulgated in public discourse. Otherwise it encourages release of outrageous lies right before election and degrades the whole process.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by blhack » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:38 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #209

blhack wrote: post #131

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What do you mean this story hasn't been vetted? One of the major players in the story has gone on record, giving an approximately 45 minute long interview verifying the claims. The FBI and DNI have also both confirmed the validity of the laptop. How much more "verified" than that would you need?

The same FBI claims Giuliani is being used by foreign nations to influence our elections. What's your source? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-bi...

The source is the Director of National Intelligence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-hunter-...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:38 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #76

tolbish wrote: post #34

It would be so very, very interesting if Trump were to pardon Snowden.

It's such a no-brainer since the national security apparatus (the FBI, NSA, etc) were used against Trump and his campaign very transparently. So you'd think he would want to strike a blow against them by pardoning Snowden. In reality, he doesn't seem to have a deep, principled understanding of the issues of the "national security" apparatus (commonly known as the "deep state"). So I'm not optimistic, although maybe h…

> It's such a no-brainer since the national security apparatus (the FBI, NSA, etc) were used against Trump and his campaign very transparently.

Except that Trump doesn't even bother to hide his desire to use them even more brazenly than anyone in the past (including Nixon, whose abuses prompted explicit legislative limits) for partisan political purposes; Trump definitely doesn't want to make the existence of a vast security apparatus or its partisan use an issue, only to sell himself as a victim.

> In reality, he doesn't seem to have a deep, principled understanding of the issues of the "national security" apparatus (commonly known as the "deep state").

The "deep state" is more a reference to the permanent official and unofficial establishment of public service as a whole (both the permanent civil service and the network of past and present senior, largely executive, leaders who remain in-the-loop and exert influence even when out of current office); its not particularly associated with the national security apparatus. The use of the term (except as a reference to others using the term directly) is a fairly explicit indicator that the speaker prefers a strong-man rule and factional spoils system to the rule of law and professionalism.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by blhack » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:38 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #231

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're propagating disinfo - in the real sense of the word, not the modern Orwellian meaning - with this line of criticism. Because this is a story that has absolutely been vetted, but the issue is all of the left-leaning mainstream media (read: literally everyone except parts of Fox News) have absolutely refused to cover this story. Do you really believe if the same story were about a member of the Trump family, tha…

Take a minute to step back. What do you think is more probable. That every single news organization out there, every single journalist, including NPR as you mention, are trying to hide this very real story and are wrong, while the one publication is in the right. Or that maybe, just maybe, it's the other way around and NYP published something that has not been well vetted?

Every single journalist? What about Glenn Greenwald? How about Matt Taibi?