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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nostromo »

ivalm wrote: post #102
StavrosK wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you of the opinion that all story publication should stop in the days before the election? If not, how do you reconcile that with this? Your argument seems to be based on an assumption that the story was garbage, with the evidence being that the editor pulled it, which begs the question.

This story is specifically being released now to influence the election. Presumably the people who got the email had it for a year, they could have released it earlier. The fact that these emails have no headers and are impossible to verify strengthens the possibility that this is literal disinformation aimed to affect the election. There are things that are legitimately news now (as in were discovered recently, are…

I seriously doubt if it was Don Jr in question and not Hunter Biden the media would be so restrained.

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Post by Nacdor »

dkural wrote: post #183
Nacdor wrote: post #42

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Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

My conclusion is the opposite. The Mueller report was heavily redacted, and misrepresented by AG Barr - precisely because it is so damning. Trump got impeached by congress over the Ukraine scandal later on, again enlisting foreign help. Trump asked a foreign power to help him against a political opponent - the Ukraine facts are not in dispute. Trump's campaign took multiple meetings with Russians bearing emails, and…

> The Mueller report was heavily redacted

So your first argument is essentially "There's proof in the report, we just can't see it"?

> multiple members of his campaign are now in jail.

Don't you think you should mention the fact that they went to jail for reasons that have nothing to do with Russian collusion?

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Post by clint »

karl11 wrote: post #117
bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

Seems like if they only cared about clicks and ads they would've ran the article.

From my position, they exercised the bare-minimum duties of any good editor to shut down stories they don't believe meet the standards they set for themselves.

And for exercising that duty, they are leaving clicks, ad impressions, and probably a good amount of money on the table.

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Post by zo1 »

ehsankia wrote: post #60
jtdev wrote: post #25

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What leads you to believe that he was trying to spread misinformation? The suppression of criticism leveled against Joe Biden or any other individual in public service is a grave danger to democracy. I commend Mr. Greenwald for standing up to censorship.

Please entertain the possibility for a moment, whether you agree with it or not, that this story was indeed planted by a foreign nation for the specific purpose of manipulating our election. Do you then believe that it is responsible to willfully help spread it and blast it all over every social media site? Aren't you doing the foreign nation's bidding then? If you do agree there, then where would you draw the line f…

There is no easy answer here, and I think the best is to allow things to play out with all the information out there for people to make an informed decision on. We need the entire collective effort of the media industry and journalists to poke, prod, piece together and corroborate the details being presented. Leak the data dump to 4chan even, see what they find. Who knows what holes everyone might find, or what additional pieces of the puzzle they might unravel with such a collective effort. Right now it just kinda seems like they're trying to discredit rather than investigate, which is why it's a huge story and why it's being picked up on by the right so much.

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

mundo wrote: post #180

It seems impossible to hold a strong opinion on this without reading the article, and in particular, seeing how it is sourced. The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence. If Greenwald has evidence to the contrar…

It is undeniably not fabricated Russian intelligence. We have:

- e-mails which have been confirmed by the others on the e-mails

- videos of hunter biden engaging in sexual activity while doing hard drugs

- text messages between hunter and various family and associates

- audio tapes of Hunter Biden's voice talking about his Chinese business partner disappearing

- financial documents of the agreement between various parties (Hunter Biden, Bobulinski, and others)

It is so obviously not "fabricated by Russian intelligence". By the way, the original claims of Trump being compromised by Russia have been proven absolutely false - something Greenwald himself has written about. Greenwald is incredibly critical of the democrat establishment for the entire Russia Hoax - and it is a hoax - and he is equally critical of their coverage of the laptop story which is at this point undeniable.

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Post by uncoder0 »

mundo wrote: post #180

It seems impossible to hold a strong opinion on this without reading the article, and in particular, seeing how it is sourced. The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence. If Greenwald has evidence to the contrar…

>The elephant in the room (which Greenwald barely acknowledges in this essay) is that many mainstream news organizations have concluded that the evidence for this story was too weak to publish, and some believe it was fabricated by Russian intelligence.

Senate Homeland Security committee and DNI director both said that this was not an issue of foreign disinfo.

In addition there is an interview from one of the co-conspirators that's 45 minutes long and he's provided documents that could be easily verified if the journalists did the leg work and asked the people who received or sent those emails if they were legitimate.

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Post by jrs235 »

jpadkins wrote: post #158
karl11 wrote: post #117

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You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

> simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. I don't think this is actually right. I think owners of news media companies want influence more than profit. I don't think Bezos is buying news media for the profits... The influence helps for their other goals.

>helps for their other goals

To profit?

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Post by nostromo »

pete_aykroyd wrote: post #192
nostromo wrote: post #166

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This appears to be correct. Most media outlets now are activists pretending to be journalists, run by businesspeople who care about revenue more than truth.

Which one are they? Activists or business people? Saying that they are both doesn’t hold water.

They aren't the same people.

The journalists are the activists.

The managers and owners are the businesspeople.

Their motivations are very different but their incentives are aligned.

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Post by karlkatzke »

jtdev wrote: post #39
karlkatzke wrote: post #18

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Keep in mind that this is Greenwald's perception. The story he's referring to has so many holes in it that it's more of a mesh than a woven cloth. Maybe a lace. There isn't much to it except criticism of Biden. Removing criticism of Biden just makes it threadbare and tawdry.

Please elaborate on what you perceive to be holes in this story.

This is the Hunter Biden laptop story.

The theory here is that Hunter Biden, for some reason, flew 3,000 miles away from his home to drop off some devices with unencrypted sensitive data for repair and data recovery at a place where the owner couldn't identify him positively because he's blind, and then just forgot them. The shop's surveillance camera footage for the time period in question got wiped clean even though there's footage from before and after.

And instead of just deleting the data and moving on with life, the owner held on to it for a year (no one does this) and then somehow (we still don't know how) it ended up in the hands of Rudi Giuliani. And we can't see it except for a couple of screenshots from imessage, but we're told it's damning. It got mailed to Tucker Carlson but somehow got lost in the mail.

Here's the interview with the shop owner: https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunter...

This is classic KGB/FSB misinformation. It's right out of the playbook.

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