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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

stumblers wrote: post #114
blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

I'll have to listen to the podcast, but I think you're way off in thinking this kind of story makes careers. Journalists take their credibility very seriously and this story doesn't have it, at least not yet if it ever will. Going with a story that hasn't been vetted marks a serious journalist as a dupe for the rest of their lives.

You're propagating disinfo - in the real sense of the word, not the modern Orwellian meaning - with this line of criticism. Because this is a story that has absolutely been vetted, but the issue is all of the left-leaning mainstream media (read: literally everyone except parts of Fox News) have absolutely refused to cover this story.

Do you really believe if the same story were about a member of the Trump family, that NPR would refuse to cover it?

One more point on credibility - we literally have videos, images, text messages, e-mails of which the other recipients have been confirmed - this is all basically undeniable at this point. So the only question is, is the actual story of how the material was obtained (the laptop repair shop) true, or was the material hacked and then they basically used parallel construction to hide the true origins? That's a fine question to ask, but if you think that the material itself is false that's just completely incredible.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by pete_aykroyd »

nostromo wrote: post #166
karl11 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

This appears to be correct. Most media outlets now are activists pretending to be journalists, run by businesspeople who care about revenue more than truth.

Which one are they? Activists or business people? Saying that they are both doesn’t hold water.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ivalm »

pwned1 wrote: post #151
ivalm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is about emails which have no headers, that are impossible to verify, that were “known to fbi” for a long time but didn’t produce any action (because likely fake), and that are specifically being pushed to change outcome of election despite, again, no real evidence of their veracity.

One could simply ask the people in the email if they are real. "Impossible to verify" is just lazy excuse-making. This is basic journalism.

So there is one shady person who says he is real but who can’t prove anything and other people in the emails deny them. Of course if the emails are fake then the forgers would include a confederate as one of the people in the chain.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by secondcoming »

karlkatzke wrote: post #18
dkdk8283 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exerpt: > refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden

Keep in mind that this is Greenwald's perception. The story he's referring to has so many holes in it that it's more of a mesh than a woven cloth. Maybe a lace. There isn't much to it except criticism of Biden. Removing criticism of Biden just makes it threadbare and tawdry.

Perhaps his story fills in some of those holes? We'll see when he publishes it on his own.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by starkd »

skybrian wrote: post #147
starkd wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't do that if its censored.

You also can't say for sure whether it's true or not if it's not censored. At best you can judge plausibility, but plausibility isn't truth. Most evidence can be faked. The chain of custody for evidence is important, and that's not a property of the evidence, but of its history. There's no substitute for trust in the person or organization reporting the news.

They can be cross referenced with the information that's in the emails. Many have already done this. A business partner, Bobulinski, and a gmail account of one of his partners serving in prison. This is a moving story. The non-interest in even trying to verify it, as pointed out by Greenwald, is very concerning.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by Tokkemon »

tpmx wrote: post #32

The first two of the three hours of him being a guest on Joe Rogan yesterday were brilliant. I've never heard someone so eloquently tear down the shiny facades of what passes as high-brow "journalism" these days.

Or just a bitter man being kicked out of the club?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ehsankia »

nebolo wrote: post #105
blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

Can you be a bit more specific on what you believe to be so important/surprising/relevant about this story that would make an entire journalistic career? What is the story that is not being told, and actively being suppressed? I have been following this quite closely and can't see it.

I'm curious about this too. It definitely doesn't help that every single person involved in the story has zero credibility left, starting with a "lawyer" who has time and time again been caught peddling the president's lies, has exposed himself to a "15yo" reporter, and who the intelligence community say is being used by foreign nations to meddle in our elections.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by dx87 »

modeless wrote: post #100

There are lots of opinions about his censored story in this thread. But no actual links to it. Is it published yet? Or are we all just speculating here?

According to the post, his contract allows him to publish any story that The Intercept doesn't want to, but they are making threats preventing him from publishing it.

> are using thinly disguised lawyer-crafted threats to coerce me not to do so (proclaiming it would be “detrimental” to The Intercept if I published it elsewhere).

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