My Resignation from the Intercept • Hacker News Board

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nimbius » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right".

Occhams razor:

Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is Glen reporting that an editor finds so 'garbage' as to risk their entire future career on censoring this man?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ivalm » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #63

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

Are you of the opinion that all story publication should stop in the days before the election? If not, how do you reconcile that with this? Your argument seems to be based on an assumption that the story was garbage, with the evidence being that the editor pulled it, which begs the question.

This story is specifically being released now to influence the election. Presumably the people who got the email had it for a year, they could have released it earlier. The fact that these emails have no headers and are impossible to verify strengthens the possibility that this is literal disinformation aimed to affect the election.

There are things that are legitimately news now (as in were discovered recently, are now published), this isn’t it.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nightowl_games » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

This breaks my heart for the world, but it increases my respect of Glenn.

Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi are my only two journalists I really seek out and follow. Glenn especially.

I was of the belief that The Intercept was a valid source solely because of Glenn.

I believe Glenn. I will follow Glenn.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by tolbish » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #76

tolbish wrote: post #34

It would be so very, very interesting if Trump were to pardon Snowden.

It's such a no-brainer since the national security apparatus (the FBI, NSA, etc) were used against Trump and his campaign very transparently. So you'd think he would want to strike a blow against them by pardoning Snowden. In reality, he doesn't seem to have a deep, principled understanding of the issues of the "national security" apparatus (commonly known as the "deep state"). So I'm not optimistic, although maybe h…

I am not saying he would pardon Snowden out of morality.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nebolo » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

Can you be a bit more specific on what you believe to be so important/surprising/relevant about this story that would make an entire journalistic career? What is the story that is not being told, and actively being suppressed? I have been following this quite closely and can't see it.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by burtmacklin » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

pwned1 wrote: post #77

SamBam wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is not publishing an unverifiable story "censorship"? That's what we trust real news organizations to do. And saying that they should at least publish the controversy is absurd -- first of all, the Times did publish the controversy days ago [1], and second of all, it basically allows the peddlers of these unverifiable stories to dictate the news. 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/hunter-bid...

Unverifiable ? Plenty of documentary evidence has been produced that could easily be verified. Simply ask the Bidens if it's true.

Sure. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by Lendal » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #44

Knowing Greenwald, what he describes as "censorship" is what a news editor would call "fact-checking."

There are more reasons to junk a story than just fact-checking. It could be that the story has already been covered sufficiently. That there is nothing new it. That it is only of interest to a certain group of people who just want to wallow in that same story every day. He hasn't actually published the story yet so nobody knows for sure, but if it's about Hunter Biden then I think it's probably in this category.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by reilly3000 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

macspoofing wrote: post #51

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election Nobody disputes why this story was dropped at the time it was dropped. It's a common tactic that has been practiced for decades by political campaigns and even media outlets. Heck, there is a reason why the Kavanaugh story broke when it did. There is a reason why the NY Times published Tru…

This isn’t any just negative news, it’s a PR campaign of epic proportions. I see plenty of legit coverage of Biden gaffes and corporate influence. Media outlets are wising up to publicists’ tactics about getting them to cover things and are making risky editorial decisions about what to run. We’ll see how it plays out.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by kev_da_dev » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #97

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. This looks much more like Greenwald trying to capitalize on hype. The entire spectrum of details around the Biden emails has been roundly debunked and there is tons of evidence to suggest it’s illegitimately sourced by agents directly directed by Trump, from sources with active incentives to try to damage Biden. It is responsible to decline to run this story. It only serves to feed conspiracy theories and dr…

> Exactly. This looks much more like Greenwald trying to capitalize on hype. The entire spectrum of details around the Biden emails has been roundly debunked Oh please. Let's try to keep the "post-truth" ethos on the Right, rather than adopting it ourselves, mmkay?

You are far too late on this one, sir. It's been thoroughly adopted by both sides of the aisle.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by throwaway2048 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:20 PM UTC

1980phipsi wrote: post #45

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

I would withhold any opinion that it is a "garbage story" until actually reading it...

The poster makes no claims that the story is garbage, only that the editor though so.