Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) • Hacker News Board

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by jcastro » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:44 PM UTC

krakensden wrote: post #30

Tichy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most of these things were actually on Unix/Linux first, just maybe not as pretty as on OS X.

Lets go through the list: * Spotlight - OS X * Dock - NeXT * Spaces - X11 * Software Repositories - Debian [1994]

Desktop search predates OSX with Beagle (unfortunately now defunct)

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by bergie » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:45 PM UTC

I've been running this on my MacBook Air for a couple of weeks now. Some rough edges, especially with GNOME3 from a PPA.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by mjs » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:51 PM UTC

I find the description of which image to choose confusing. You need the a 64-bit image to handle processes over 4GB, right? Why is the x86 version recommended for "most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows." (That's from the server description, too.)

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by ra » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:55 PM UTC

I got nervous with Ubuntu releases when 9.10 came out, and it was really buggy; definitely shouldn't have been released in that state.

This time round I upgraded a couple of nights ago from the repos, and I'm pleased to say there have been no dramas.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by jsz0 » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:57 PM UTC

meric wrote: post #15

Ubuntu's website shows of its Dash "Spotlight", Launcher "Dock", Status Icons "Menu bar with status", Workspace "Spaces", Ubuntu Store "Mac App Store". It's almost like they're trying to directly compete with Mac OS X, with "killer features" that match exactly with what apple regularly shows off with Mac OS X.

Probably a good strategy. I would like to have a pretty good OSX clone for PCs. There's no good reason to clone Windows -- if you have a PC you can just use the real thing. You cannot (easily) run OSX on a PC.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by ra » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:59 PM UTC

mjs wrote: post #43

I find the description of which image to choose confusing. You need the a 64-bit image to handle processes over 4GB, right? Why is the x86 version recommended for "most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows." (That's from the server description, too.)

No. Memory > 4GB is not a reason to use 64bit.

If you want to address > 4GB of RAM on 32bit, install the PAE kernel. I think the meta package is called linux-generic-pae.

Use 64bit if you want to run applications that will benefit from it.

EDIT: If in doubt, use the 32 bit one as it will give you less friction for general purpose desktop use.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by modernerd » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 1:08 PM UTC

drivingmenuts wrote: post #19

unwind wrote: post #5

Of course, this is the release that changes the desktop interface around quite a lot. I'm a bit hesitant, although this answer in the FAQ was soothing: No problem at all. You can choose to launch the classic desktop experience when you log in to your computer. Not sure if this really means that the choice has to be re-made on every login, or if is remembered. Anyone?

You don't get a choice if you run it in a VM, btw. It's classic or aught.

You can still run Unity on any VM (or lower powered machine) by using Unity 2D. It doesn't ship with 11.04 (it will in 11.10, I believe) but you can get it like this:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:unity-2d-team/unity-2d-daily

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install unity-2d

Then log out, and choose 'unity 2d' from the login menu when you log back in.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by meadhikari » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 1:09 PM UTC

Garbage wrote: post #38

scrrr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can burn the installation CD and run Ubuntu without installing as well.

You can burn the image on USB drive and boot from it. Unetbootin can help for that. http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

and wubi is always there if you use windows and want to give Ubuntu a try

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by ominous_prime » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 1:12 PM UTC

mjs wrote: post #43

I find the description of which image to choose confusing. You need the a 64-bit image to handle processes over 4GB, right? Why is the x86 version recommended for "most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows." (That's from the server description, too.)

I think it's almost entirely due to flash. Most users won't notice the difference between 32 and 64 bit machines, and it's still much simpler to use flash in a 32 bit browser. 32 bit chrome has flash bundled, and 64 bit chrome does not, which will cause confusion as well. At work, I use a 64bit OS with the pre-release of flash "square", but at home it's just easier to use 32 bit on my laptop.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by davidw » Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 1:14 PM UTC

mjs wrote: post #43

I find the description of which image to choose confusing. You need the a 64-bit image to handle processes over 4GB, right? Why is the x86 version recommended for "most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows." (That's from the server description, too.)

32 bit "wastes less memory":

http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/11/24/slicehost-vs-linode

At least for some things, in my experience.