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Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Here's your writing prompt for today: Meanwhile, in the Kremlin ...

(Satire)

Meanwhile, in the Kremlin, Putin orders that one nuclear code digit be inserted into the hearts of 20 men. There was widespread controversy when Putin forced them to remove it themselves in a practice fire drill last week. A Kremlin official responded: "Using 20 men has reduced our nuclear response time by 20 times".

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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For the past multiple decades the "launch code" was known throughout the officer corps to be, simply, 00000000000000000. I.e., the whole "nuclear football" scheme was a PR stunt. There is no reason to think its substance has changed.

This is essentially false. There are several redundant safety and security mechanisms protecting nuclear weapons, one of which is the Permissive Action Link (essentially a combination lock on the warhead). This is the component in question which once had the alleged code of 00000000: https://web.archive.org/web/20120511191600/http://www.cdi.or... The "nuclear football" is a completely separate authentication mechanis…

The key words there are "as far as we know". Fool me once...

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is essentially false. There are several redundant safety and security mechanisms protecting nuclear weapons, one of which is the Permissive Action Link (essentially a combination lock on the warhead). This is the component in question which once had the alleged code of 00000000: https://web.archive.org/web/20120511191600/http://www.cdi.or... The "nuclear football" is a completely separate authentication mechanis…

The key words there are "as far as we know". Fool me once...

As far as we know, the earth is a globe. What point are you trying to make?

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Let's do a thought experiment : if the above is true then it means that no thought at all has been given to launch security for the most powerful weapons in the USA's inventory. This disregard for national security has been maintained by all presidents since Kennedy and all national security officials as well. During this time any state or non state actor who gained access to the control infrastructure could have iss…

No, the situation is that the security is something you are rather than something you have . To initiate a launch against PRC, Russia would have had to fake being the President and the entourage including various military brass who would have been able to confirm the identity of the elected official. Thus the nuclear launch codes served the same purpose as red mercury.

This isn't how the launch orders are issued.

Submarines do not have a voice channel to the president, or to the military command. They receive coded signals that instruct them to take particular actions. Creating the appropriate coded signal is a fundamental part of the launch control chain.

Also if the president is killed, and the vice president and the head of the senate... eventually the question is "who has the codes" - if it was "something you are" then the first thing that an adversary would do is kill the are and then follow up as they pleased while the c&c system flailed.

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's do a thought experiment : if the above is true then it means that no thought at all has been given to launch security for the most powerful weapons in the USA's inventory. This disregard for national security has been maintained by all presidents since Kennedy and all national security officials as well. During this time any state or non state actor who gained access to the control infrastructure could have iss…

Breathtaking, isn't it? But it doesn't mean that, at all. All it really means is that we were taken in by a PR scam that had nothing to do with launch security, and everything to do with getting civilians off the backs of serious soldiers who considered themselves better qualified to make decisions than the politicians. And all it cost to run was to have one of the president's minders carry around a satchel that the…

So the US nuclear arsenal is commanded by the generals?

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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True, but can you imagine the look on the president's face after he hacked someone's chest open to find out that was the code?

It was one of the greatest hacking ever done by a US President. Sad that it had to come to this but thats on the Democrats. I bet Biden would be to weak to do it. But you can't be weak when it comes to defending the nation. America First! Yep... I can imagine the face...

This feels like a Poe’s law moment.

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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post #21
post #4

Here's your writing prompt for today: Meanwhile, in the Kremlin ...

(Satire) Meanwhile, in the Kremlin, Putin orders that one nuclear code digit be inserted into the hearts of 20 men. There was widespread controversy when Putin forced them to remove it themselves in a practice fire drill last week. A Kremlin official responded: "Using 20 men has reduced our nuclear response time by 20 times".

wait - does this mean that each heart has a digit and you need to kill 20 men to get the complete code, in which case I would expect response time to increase or does it mean that each of the men has a redundant code so that in case one of them is on the toilet they can still kill another one and fire the nukes without any delays?

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key words there are "as far as we know". Fool me once...

As far as we know, the earth is a globe. What point are you trying to make?

That if the government is caught lying about how secure one part of the lock to the Armageddon button is, you have no reason to believe they aren't lying about the other part too. Particularly, if there's a strong incentive for the system to not be secure - which there is, namely, response time.

Re: Keep the nuclear launch codes in an innocent volunteer's chest-cavity (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was one of the greatest hacking ever done by a US President. Sad that it had to come to this but thats on the Democrats. I bet Biden would be to weak to do it. But you can't be weak when it comes to defending the nation. America First! Yep... I can imagine the face...

You seem to be confusing stupidity with strength. Also confusing violence with strength. All these things are unrelated, except I guess the more stupid one is, the more one needs strength to exert violence...

Or maybe you’ve got so much strength it’s just “easier” - thought can be expensive...
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