RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

IME, most YouTube videos do not use any technological measure to prevent using any TCP client, not simply Google's Javascript player compbined with a web browser, to download the video. Moreover I have observed that for most YT videos Google's player uses "progressive download", i.e., a number of successive HTTP requests with incremented Range headers, not "streaming".

Thus, for most videos, there is no need to circumvent any technological measure, e.g., a so-called "rolling cipher" for the video signature. Section 1201, specifically referenced in RIAA's letter, requires that the circumvention software be "primarily" designed for circumvention. It's arguable youtube-dl is not primarily designed for downloading the minority of YT videos that use the rolling cipher, or whatever "protection" Google may choose to offer the minority of YT accounts that want to use YT as a distribution channel for commercial content, e.g., VEVO.

With the rolling cipher, Google tries to ensure all HTTP requests sent by the user are made via its own Javascript player. However this still does not stop anyone using a popular browser with Developer Tools or the equivalent (such as Microsoft's own Edge browser) from obtaining the download URL and using any TCP client the user chooses to perform the download. Nor does it stop any user from observing the download URL via other means, e.g., users observing the TCP traffic entering their personal networks.

Through the use of the rolling cipher, YT does not restrict access to the the download URL. It simply changes the URL periodically. The rolling cipher is thus not an effective access control. For example, when Google promises YT account holders Google can prevent users in a certain geographic region from accessing a video, does Google use a rolling cipher in the Javascript player as the access control.

I believe a court in Germany has already ruled on the rolling cipher being a technological restriction (and that is referenced in the complaint). The point of the technological measure (together with TOS) is to make the intent clear. youtube-dl could probably have been fine without implementing the cipher decryption function but since it did and had a test suite to check and flag if it doesn't work, it made itself a target.

the text doesn't load for me in the translated version for some reason so I can't comment directly on the poem.

it's hard to imagine any legal action taken against someone who wrote an insulting poem about trump though. people say stuff like "I hope he dies" on social media every day.

At best, it's hyperbole. It's certainly not "highly erroneous." The most useful websites, with the largest user bases, will also have the largest developer bases, and change the most frequently. That's just kinda how the internet is. Consider - if a tool like this had been written 20 years ago, are there any websites it would still work on today? What about 15 years ago? You're not wrong that some of the smaller websites might take longer to change than the larger ones, but the calling the notion that most websites change over time "entirely erroneous" is just silly.

> Section 1201, specifically referenced in RIAA's letter, requires that the circumvention software be "primarily" designed for circumvention. It's arguable youtube-dl is not primarily designed for downloading the minority of YT videos that use the rolling cipher, or whatever "protection" Google may choose to offer the minority of YT accounts that want to use YT as a distribution channel for commercial content, e.g., VEVO.

I still think it's debatable whether youtube-dl constitutes circumvention of effective controls or not. This is the relevant definition:

> a technological measure “effectively controls access to a work” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

I'm not intimately familiar, but is youtube-dl cracking the rolling cipher, or using the keys that YouTube provides? I believe there is a very valid argument that using youtube-dl is not evidence of circumvention of effective access control systems. There are a plethora of other reasons one might want to use it. One perfectly legitimate example is if you want to watch a video in 1080p without constant buffering, but you aren't on a network connection that can support that. You're basically using your hard drive as a much, much larger buffer. You can often even play the videos with the same browser that opened YouTube, so it really does become effectively cached content (albeit a cache external to your browser).

I think they would also have to demonstrate that downloading one of those videos is a copyright violation. You could argue that as long as the video is available, it should be valid for you to cache those videos. If I'm going on a plane, or I know my internet is going to be out, is it really a DMCA violation for me to download those videos and time shift my viewing to when my internet is out?

> Through the use of the rolling cipher, YT does not restrict access to the the download URL. It simply changes the URL periodically. The rolling cipher is thus not an effective access control. For example, when Google promises YT account holders Google can prevent users in a certain geographic region from accessing a video, does Google use a rolling cipher in the Javascript player as the access control.

I disagree with this part. As much as I don't like it, I can't find any way that the rolling cipher is not "effective access control". I linked the definition above, but to the layman (and these laws were written by laymen, so you do have to bear in mind their intent) periodically changing the download URL is an effective access control because they can't bookmark it and go back to it later. We can argue that using the Developer Tools is "in the normal course of operation", but I think you're extremely unlikely to get a judge to agree that opening the Developer Tools is "in the normal course of operation". It's normal to us, but it is not normal for the US as a whole.

In short, I think anything that you can't bookmark a download for probably counts as "effectively controls access". I'm sure other industries feel the same way; oil execs say what they're doing is slightly different than what the law stipulates, doctors says what they did doesn't exactly match up with what malpractice law requires, etc. The only person who's opinion matters is the judge, and they probably aren't an expert.

As an overall summary, I think we're more likely to succeed by poking holes in the RIAA's case. Youtube-DL is under no legal obligation to prove anything; the RIAA as the plaintiff is responsible for proving all of the facts they assert. As long as we try to combat that with our own assertions, they can simply try to poke holes in those. It seems much more difficult to prove that youtube-dl's usage is legitimate than it is to poke holes in one of the assumptions underlying the RIAA's lawsuit. If this is legitimate use, youtube-dl wins. If this is not circumvention, but an alternate access mechanism, youtube-dl wins. If you can prove that rolling ciphers are not an effective control measure, youtube-dl wins. I think the most likely of those options is demonstrating that youtube-dl is fair use (I wonder if there are any accessibility reasons to use youtube-dl; that would hamstring the RIAA, as they'd be caught between the ADA and the DMCA. They either have a valid DMCA complaint but YouTube is liable under DMCA, or they don't have a valid complaint because youtube-dl is required to meet ADA specifications). I don't even have to think very hard to come up with a few non-infringing reasons why someone would use youtube-dl. The RIAA then has to prove that youtube-dl is "primarily designed ... for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure", rather than for the variety of non-infringing reasons one might use youtube-dl.