Good for them staying native and not getting caught in a least-common denominator Electron hell.
People uses Macs because they want to use Macs and software that takes advantage of the reliability and consistency of that ecosystem.
Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
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Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#12This is great, but I no longer feel that the macOS HIG represents usable design for anybody. Apple's native apps are confusing and inconsistent. XCode is perhaps the worst offender. (Is that because it's okay to ship sub-par experiences to developers? )
My opinion is that Google's UX is now best in class -- things like Google Docs that are just nearing perfection that everyone seems to have no trouble with. Youtube would be another example of a highly effective UI.
I do think native is quite overrated :)
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#13I respect them for sticking to this, but I think it's a mistake. It's clear users in general don't care about an app being pure Mac OS controls/SDKs/etc. and their claims about it being a truly superior UX are unfounded (having used both regularly, Figma disproves that heavily). With this, Sketch isn't available on Windows nor the web (until very recently it seems?).
I wouldn't die on that hill.
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#14This is great, but I no longer feel that the macOS HIG represents usable design for anybody. Apple's native apps are confusing and inconsistent. XCode is perhaps the worst offender. (Is that because it's okay to ship sub-par experiences to developers? ) My opinion is that Google's UX is now best in class -- things like Google Docs that are just nearing perfection that everyone seems to have no trouble with. Youtube w…
One specific thing that Google does terribly UI-wise is the G Suite admin panel.
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ability to collaborate in real-time is not something exclusive to web apps.
of course not, but the effort to bring real-time collaboration to native apps is much higher, e.g. MS Office's still-poor current experience compared with Google Docs's capabilities 5 years ago
How does the existence of Google Docs and Word say anything about how hard it is to create real-time collaboration on a web application versus a native application?
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ability to collaborate in real-time is not something exclusive to web apps.
of course not, but the effort to bring real-time collaboration to native apps is much higher, e.g. MS Office's still-poor current experience compared with Google Docs's capabilities 5 years ago
Not really. It all comes down to a network protocol to sync changes. I collaborated with others just fine in desktop-first apps like CounterStrike or Diablo long before web became a viable platform.
The reason MS Office struggles with this is that rebuilding an app that wasn't originally supposed to work in such mode is way harder than building from scratch, and they probably don't really need it that much to push themselves in such an adventure.
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#17Obviously they’re feeling the heat from Figma which is browser-based.
I do absolutely agree that native apps are a much better experience. I prefer Paw over postman every time for this reason too.
However creating a Sketch plugin which downloads a simple JSON was an absolute nightmare.
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#18Reminds me of Blackberry that decided to stick to keyboard and went bankrupt.
Users don’t care about native or not , they care only about innovation.
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#19Good for them staying native and not getting caught in a least-common denominator Electron hell. People uses Macs because they want to use Macs and software that takes advantage of the reliability and consistency of that ecosystem.
> software that takes advantage of the reliability and consistency of that ecosystem
probably true ~4-5 years ago, but not so much today. Catalina broke a lot of apps (due to SIP?). Big Sur is likely to break even more existing apps. In one case, it was seen that Apple apps do not obey the same rules that third party developers must abide by (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24838816).
I use a mbp at this point because it's not Windows.
Re: Sketch: Proud to Build a Truly Native Mac App
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Feels like it. Don’t get me wrong, I think sketch is great, but no way i’m going into apple’s walled garden voluntarily. Very happy that figma works on linux.
So you prefer to be locked in to a server that really serves someone else? [0] At least, with Sketch/macOS the code is executed on the device you can control (to a degree). [0]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s...
Sketch is not libre software, so there's not much difference as long as you can export.