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Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by tshaddox »

p1esk wrote: post #61
toast0 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Apple giving you a new option here? Before, you were forced to buy the bundled wall wart, now you have the option to keep using what you had or buy a charger if you need it? They're still forcing a bundled cable, but it's a different cable you probably don't have many of?

But, just like with hotels, you’re still paying the same price.

Sure, Apple also might tend to get more money per iPhone customer now, but that doesn't invalidate the environmental argument.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

bobthepanda wrote: post #39
chrisseaton wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want a USB-A charging cable in 2020? My laptops don't have that anymore, and I don't even have recent laptops. Like most people I know would have to to use a dongle. No thanks. Move as quickly as possible to USB-C, please Apple, and no need for charging bricks anymore. > it really feels like a cost cutting measure they are trying really hard to spin as an eco-friendly one This is cynical.

At least in the US there are plenty of USB-A wall sockets out in the wild. The apartment I just moved into has a few of them. Most planes, trains and buses with charging ports also have USB-A ports.

Get yourself a single braided lightning to usb a cable and it will last you long after lightning ports are gone.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by tshaddox »

h4waii wrote: post #81
chrisseaton wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why do you care what their costs are? What will you do with that information? Either the product is worth it for what you need or it isn’t.

You're telling him not to care about their costs, but Apple is straight up telling him to care about their savings, but don't pass it on to the consumer. Generally speaking, people care about saving more of their money, they care much less about how much money the company they are purchasing goods or services for is able to retain by providing less for the same (or more) price.

No, Apple is telling him to care about the reduction in material waste.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

slg wrote: post #29

>"Hello, I'd like to buy one of the new iPhones, please!" >"Sure thing, here's the new iPhone 12. It's fast, beautiful, and is generally awesome." >"Sweet, I'll take it..." I guess this is a different topic, but it wouldn't play out like this. You have to decide if you want the iPhone 12, the 12 Pro, the 12 Pro Max, the 12 mini, the SE, the 11, or the XR and then you decide do you want the white, black, blue, green,…

Its not really difficult though. When I went in to the store they showed me a row of 4 phones and told me the 11 was the most sensible option as well as the benefits you get from the pro. Picking a colour and storage option wasn't really an issue either.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by chmod775 »

tshaddox wrote: post #89

I agree that a major motivation here is that Apple will make a bit more money from some customers who are willing to pay. But I don't really agree with the claim that the environmental arguments are ridiculous. If everyone only buys the accessories they want, and assuming some customers previously received accessories in the box that they didn't need, then presumably this will actually reduce waste. There is still pe…

>But I don't really agree with the claim that the environmental arguments are ridiculous.

Their arguments are completely and utterly ridiculous given Apple's other behavior. Environmental considerations clearly don't motivate them a single bit.

If they gave even a single shit about the environment their devices would have easily replaceable batteries and would be designed to last instead of to be replaced every year.

Also this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/10/07/apple-g...

And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z17HAA-moY

Etc.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by chrisseaton »

h4waii wrote: post #81
chrisseaton wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why do you care what their costs are? What will you do with that information? Either the product is worth it for what you need or it isn’t.

You're telling him not to care about their costs, but Apple is straight up telling him to care about their savings, but don't pass it on to the consumer. Generally speaking, people care about saving more of their money, they care much less about how much money the company they are purchasing goods or services for is able to retain by providing less for the same (or more) price.

Is the iPhone as useful as before? So it’s the same price as before.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by RandallBrown »

jtsiskin wrote: post #35

Everything in my life is now using USB-C charging, except for my iPhone. Is there a technical reason why Apple prefers their lightning cable over USB-C, or is it purely business related?

I'm guessing a big part of it is the MASSIVE accessory ecosystem that's built around the iPhone.

People have docks, cases, chargers, cables, etc. that all work with Lightning.

I think also that USB-C is a more complicated protocol. Not all USB-C cables and ports are created equal and it could be a massive headache for them to deal with all the incompatibilities that might arise.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

Nightshaxx wrote: post #13

The point isn't that nobody will have reduced packaging, the point is some people have reduced packaging. I'm not saying it's not a way for Apple to get PR points + save some money (that's exactly what it is). Your argument would mean it's pointless to buy a BMW electric car because they sell other cars that aren't. At Apple's scale, the reduction in packaging for a large chunk of consumers might acctually do somethi…

The same argument was made against banning single use plastic bags in supermarkets in Australia. People said that everyone would just continue to buy them and nothing will change. Turns out that most people did not keep buying them but instead took their old ones back to the store to reuse. Some people still buy them but overall there was a huge reduction.

When you give someone something for free they will take that option every time, charge just 15c for the bag and people will decide that they will bring back their old bags because its a small savings for almost no effort.

I also never see stray plastic bags floating around the street like I used to.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by tshaddox »

jiofih wrote: post #54

All of the iPad and Macbook charging bricks have been USB-C for a while, there is definitely a huge population of users that already have one. Plus, you know, it plugs into any usb-c port, it doesn’t have to be white. You can also get a standard Qi charger for what, $15?

Also, as the author points out (debunking their complaint immediately after issuing it, instead of simply removing the complaint from the article), you can use not only your previous iPhone's charger, but its cable (which obviously works with the charger).

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by mynameisvlad »

toast0 wrote: post #62
chrisseaton wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want a USB-A charging cable in 2020? My laptops don't have that anymore, and I don't even have recent laptops. Like most people I know would have to to use a dongle. No thanks. Move as quickly as possible to USB-C, please Apple, and no need for charging bricks anymore. > it really feels like a cost cutting measure they are trying really hard to spin as an eco-friendly one This is cynical.

As a not Apple user, I've got way more usb As than usb Cs. All of the laptops I have have at least two usb As, and may only have one C, which is often the charging port. My desktops currently have one usb C each, but since they're mostly useless, my next round will have all As and no Cs. The couple of devices I have with C plugs have attached dongles to A plugs, so I'm not losing anything by preferring A.

> but since they're mostly useless, my next round will have all As and no Cs

Doubtful. I'm pretty sure every single motherboard has at least one USB-C port in the back, and most will come with the new USB-C header as a lot of the latest cases have a front USB-C port.

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