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PayPal terminates account of Epik, home to Proud Boys domain and Gab

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Re: PayPal terminates account of Epik, home to Proud Boys domain and Gab

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It doesn't matter if there are dozens of CDNs. Look at what happened to dailystormer, they were unable to find a CDN. Yes, they are bad nazis and are pretty much underserving of anybody's pity, but it still shows how easily those few market players (and an angry twitter mob) can banish stuff from the internet, driven by some public outrage. There is a handful of CC companies and payment processors. Look at what happe…

>It doesn't matter if there are dozens of CDNs. Look at what happened to dailystormer, they were unable to find a CDN. Yes, they are bad nazis and are pretty much underserving of anybody's pity, but it still shows how easily those few market players (and an angry twitter mob) can banish stuff from the internet, driven by some public outrage. My claim isn't that they didn't face any censorship, but that the scenario i…

>Many payment processors don't want to deal with adult/sex content not because they're puritans, but because it's associated with high rates of fraud.

They always claim that, and yet they make billions from it, also by extorting huge premiums (something like 1K upfront + 30%-40% of the revenue as fees and a minimum of fees you have to pay regardless even if your revenue is below that).

But I wasn't even talking about people selling adult content. I was talking about people appearing in adult content, aka "porn stars". Even if you're solely a contract porn star working for studios instead of selling your own content directly, you'll be hard pressed to find personal banking once you're discovered to have a job like this (in the US).

Re: PayPal terminates account of Epik, home to Proud Boys domain and Gab

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> I also find it fascinating e.g. that cloudflare still protects botters (aka outright declared criminals) and people selling child porn[3] (aka the worst of common criminals), but dailystormer, as vile as they are, are somehow too much. The publicly stated motivations behind terminating dailystormer are that dailystormer allegedly suggested that Cloudflare supported them. The content wasn’t the issue, the suggested…

Yeah, the CEO decided to terminate their account because he didn't like them. The bit about "endorsement" was just a rationalization after the fact. >“Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet,” Prince wrote in an internal memo to employees obtained by Gizmodo and published on Wednesday. “No one should have that power.” https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-s…

> “No one should have that power.”

I mean, he doesn't. Cloudflare isn't the Internet. HN itself is an example.

Re: PayPal terminates account of Epik, home to Proud Boys domain and Gab

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> [They] did the same for Antifa though, so at least they are somewhat consistent. I don't think this is a coherent statement. Antifa isn't an organization. The Proud Boys definitely is. If you're not familiar with the Proud Boys, this is a good introductory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMWQDvZQZs

> Antifa isn't an organization. They have spokes people, a uniform, unified political beliefs, and meet through organised events. I suspect the only reason they claim not to be an organisation is because they don't want to be label a terror organisation. Either way, how they choose to organise should be completely irrelevant here. If Antifa decided they were an organisation tomorrow and The Proud Boys put out a state…

They're an organization as much as any decentralized structure can be. Is Mastodon an "organization", and can said imaginary "Mastodon" organization, or Rochko and any contributors to the project anyway be held liable for the goings-on in individual instances that are meant to be autonomous by design?
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