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Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by fetus8 »

Bud wrote: post #2

Here's what the article claims: "Now tell me, do you have Apple's 20W USB-C charging brick to use with this? It doesn't come with a charging brick either, and to get the advertised speeds then you need to use that brick. Literally no other charging bricks will get that speed." Here's what's actually true: Any USB-C charger with a port on it capable of 20W or higher (including all extant USB-C Mac chargers and all ext…

https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/62D963CD-BE12-41FB-A840-B...

Anker has about a ton of these, including 20W or higher ones, under $20.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by artemonster »

Bud wrote: post #2

Here's what the article claims: "Now tell me, do you have Apple's 20W USB-C charging brick to use with this? It doesn't come with a charging brick either, and to get the advertised speeds then you need to use that brick. Literally no other charging bricks will get that speed." Here's what's actually true: Any USB-C charger with a port on it capable of 20W or higher (including all extant USB-C Mac chargers and all ext…

Not sure whether you've tested your claims, I've heard people complaining (loudly!) that their anker chargers and powerbanks with PD (and rated with needed wattage) are not working, because Apple opted for some really strange voltage profile negotiation, that only small portion of the existing chargers support.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by Nightshaxx »

The point isn't that nobody will have reduced packaging, the point is some people have reduced packaging. I'm not saying it's not a way for Apple to get PR points + save some money (that's exactly what it is). Your argument would mean it's pointless to buy a BMW electric car because they sell other cars that aren't. At Apple's scale, the reduction in packaging for a large chunk of consumers might acctually do something for the environment (and Tim Cook's pockets).

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by 908B64B197 »

Bud wrote: post #8
908B64B197 wrote: post #7

Had they not recently changed the charging options (shipping USB-C cables and MagSafe) and stuck with the classical Lightning to USB-A scheme I would have been fine with Apple not bundling the cables and chargers in the box. Because most folks have them in excess and these don't ever die. But since they changed the charging options, it really feels like a cost cutting measure they are trying really hard to spin as an…

Why? All of those old USB-A chargers and USB-A/Lightning cables will still charge the new iPhones perfectly well. So will every iPad charger ever made, btw. And every USB-C Mac charger ever made. Honestly, it doesn't matter whether you or any particular observer wants to give credit for this reducing e-waste or being "eco-friendly". It's a plainly obvious fact that it will massively reduce e-waste and be a massive ne…

Sure.

But it's not the optimal experience.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by Bud »

908B64B197 wrote: post #14
Bud wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? All of those old USB-A chargers and USB-A/Lightning cables will still charge the new iPhones perfectly well. So will every iPad charger ever made, btw. And every USB-C Mac charger ever made. Honestly, it doesn't matter whether you or any particular observer wants to give credit for this reducing e-waste or being "eco-friendly". It's a plainly obvious fact that it will massively reduce e-waste and be a massive ne…

Sure. But it's not the optimal experience.

For me it's an optimal experience: my device cost went down, I get to choose what I spend that money on (such as superior 3rd-party chargers with multiple ports), and I get the satisfaction of knowing that Apple didn't waste planetary resources making inflexible single-port chargers and $5 wired earbuds that I will never, ever use.

I do admit that it's not optimal for every single user, but I do think it's a net improvement for most users.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by henriquez »

cma wrote: post #4

What's the point of the mag-safe branding if the magnet doesn't really provide any safety if you trip on the cord, since the phones are so lightweight and would still get yanked to the ground?

Seems like literally just a trademark Apple had laying around. I also don't see how it's better or more convenient than just plugging in a cord. From what I understand it wastes a lot of electricity.

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by Bud »

Xavdidtheshadow wrote: post #9
Bud wrote: post #2

Here's what the article claims: "Now tell me, do you have Apple's 20W USB-C charging brick to use with this? It doesn't come with a charging brick either, and to get the advertised speeds then you need to use that brick. Literally no other charging bricks will get that speed." Here's what's actually true: Any USB-C charger with a port on it capable of 20W or higher (including all extant USB-C Mac chargers and all ext…

Actually, per this article [1] that may not be the case. Copying a comment from reddit: > PD has certain charging ‘profiles’. > For example Apples 30W USB-C charger can work at: > 15 watts (5 volts @ 3 amps), 27 watts (9 volts @ 3 amps), 30 watts (15 volts @ 2 amps), and 30 watts (20 volts @ 1.5 amps) > The MagSafe puck supports none of those for some reason. So it drops down to ~5W which is a safe backup amount for…

Thank you for the correction!

Re: A Guy Walks into an Apple Store

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Post by chrisseaton »

908B64B197 wrote: post #7

Had they not recently changed the charging options (shipping USB-C cables and MagSafe) and stuck with the classical Lightning to USB-A scheme I would have been fine with Apple not bundling the cables and chargers in the box. Because most folks have them in excess and these don't ever die. But since they changed the charging options, it really feels like a cost cutting measure they are trying really hard to spin as an…

Why do you want a USB-A charging cable in 2020? My laptops don't have that anymore, and I don't even have recent laptops. Like most people I know would have to to use a dongle. No thanks. Move as quickly as possible to USB-C, please Apple, and no need for charging bricks anymore.

> it really feels like a cost cutting measure they are trying really hard to spin as an eco-friendly one

This is cynical.

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