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Some takes From Benedict Evans that are worth considering: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1320378054150148098... “Meanwhile: the NYU app has access to friend data in your feed and friend data is also in the ads it scrapes. And it replaces an actual security model with our trust that NYU are nice people and won't abuse this access. That is exactly how Cambridge Analytica happened.”
Doesn't NYU have an Institutional Review Board?
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If I’m your friend on Facebook should you be allowed to go to my page and give all the information I’ve shared with you to another 3rd party? You trust NYU, OK fine. Can I give the same information about you to pro-Trump researchers?
You shared the information with your Facebook friends without any protections. Why shouldn't they be allowed to share it with other people? What legal obligation do they have to keep the information you shared private?
>What legal obligation do they have to keep the information you shared private?
Those exact same questions can very well be asked of the whole Cambridge Analytica scandal, and yet some people will give different answers to those two scenarios.
Cambridge Analytica app was explicitly asking users for permission to access their data and data their friends publicly shared with those users. The first one is obviously ok, but the latter was what people had issues with, and I don't see how it is different here.
As for what legal obligations your friends have to keep your information private, I don't think they do. However, Facebook does have the obligation to not share info of users who didn't explicitly consent to it with third party apps, according to this order from FTC issued in 2019[0]. And third party apps that share not only your FB info, but that of your friends (who do not use those third-party apps), definitely fall under this.
0. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/cases/c4365facebo...
Some takes From Benedict Evans that are worth considering: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1320378054150148098... “Meanwhile: the NYU app has access to friend data in your feed and friend data is also in the ads it scrapes. And it replaces an actual security model with our trust that NYU are nice people and won't abuse this access. That is exactly how Cambridge Analytica happened.”
Comparing Cambridge Analytica, who harvested data though means that were not transparent to users (and for malicious purpose), to NYU has explained what data and why, AND has the consent of its users, seems disingenuous at best.
Rsearchers can get access to anyone's Facebook data if people enable it? What about the ones in chinese universities? Or just respected universities? Which universities is that? How do we decide?
You're missing the point. There needs to be a black and white line, and whatever Facebook allows they're always being demonised, nobody gives them the benefit of the doubt.
Don't miss Alex Stamos (former Facebook Chief Security Officer's reply): https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1320006154424967170 If I'm understanding Alex right, he's saying that Facebook's 2019 FTC consent decree requires them to limit the personal information collected by apps on the platform.
It's a browser plugin, not a facebook app. Why should facebook have a say on what plugins I have installed in my browser that did not come from facebook? Should they be able to have a say about ublock origin or other apps I have installed on my computer/browser?
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The whole point is that a major problem with CA was the scaled friend’s data collection. The NYU app scraping modality could easily do the same thing which violates the present FB consent/sharing model of you control your data going to or not going to third party apps. FB has to fight as hard as possible against such apps. Remember Clearview AI? If we want FB to fight CA and Clearview they must fight here as well.
> The NYU app scraping modality could easily do the same thing So could any browser extension with the ol' "read and modify your data on \*" permission. Or any browser. Or any third-party Facebook client. There is a difference between being technically capable of doing a thing and actually doing the thing- especially in cases where the software authors are well-known and relatively easy to hold accountable. To say ot…
Like a certain lecturer and senior researcher at University of Cambridge?
Wait so Facebook can collect data about its users but Facebook users aren't allowed to collect data about Facebook?
If I’m your friend on Facebook should you be allowed to go to my page and give all the information I’ve shared with you to another 3rd party? You trust NYU, OK fine. Can I give the same information about you to pro-Trump researchers?
If said friend takes a pic of you and records everything you say in real life and gives that to researchers (or "pro Trump" people), you wouldn't go after your or their landlord claiming they "allowed this to happen", nor would you go after the city where it happened, would you? (your friend is voluntarily participating, knowing what they are doing)
Now if the researchers tricked your friend into giving them information about you somehow, then you'd go after your researchers. But do not expect your landlord to go after those researchers for you. (NYU researchers misinforming participants about the scope of their data collection)
Now if your friend abused a camera that was sneakily installed by your landlord to obtain that information, then you might go after that landlord (Cambridge Analytica on Facebook)
Some takes From Benedict Evans that are worth considering: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1320378054150148098... “Meanwhile: the NYU app has access to friend data in your feed and friend data is also in the ads it scrapes. And it replaces an actual security model with our trust that NYU are nice people and won't abuse this access. That is exactly how Cambridge Analytica happened.”
https://adobserver.org/privacy-policy/
And, unlike Facebook which sucks up an ever increasing amount of data on you, this project takes only basic demographic information (age group, gender, ethnicity) and what ads that you're shown. No personal data is retained by NYU.
Some takes From Benedict Evans that are worth considering: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1320378054150148098... “Meanwhile: the NYU app has access to friend data in your feed and friend data is also in the ads it scrapes. And it replaces an actual security model with our trust that NYU are nice people and won't abuse this access. That is exactly how Cambridge Analytica happened.”
Weak take. All users of the NYU app have to explicitly sign up and grant the researchers access to their data. It has a very clear privacy policy: https://adobserver.org/privacy-policy/ And, unlike Facebook which sucks up an ever increasing amount of data on you, this project takes only basic demographic information (age group, gender, ethnicity) and what ads that you're shown. No personal data is retained by NYU.