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Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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What evidence do I have that I'm more than a fancy autocomplete, myself? The use of squishy protestations, in lieu of objective metrics, make LeCun's argument rather unconvincing.

High level reasoning and planning about what you are writing about. GPT-3 generates text one word at a time. The results are impressive for what it is. But it will not plan out what it wants to say ahead of time and construct the message to achieve that objective.

But of course it does within its own horizon (e.g. token window).

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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Can someone please comment his post here? (I don't have fb account and don't want to sign up)

You don't need one to see it.

Thanks.

Now I see @rfreytag's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24907760

EDIT: Yann's fb post:

Some people have completely unrealistic expectations about what large-scale language models such as GPT-3 can do.

This simple explanatory study by my friends at Nabla debunks some of those expectations for people who think massive language models can be used in healthcare.

GPT-3 is a language model, which means that you feed it a text and ask it to predict the continuation of the text, one word at a time. GPT-3 doesn't have any knowledge of how the world actually works. It only appears to have some level of background knowledge, to the extent that this knowledge is present in the statistics of text. But this knowledge is very shallow and disconnected from the underlying reality.

As a question-answering system, GPT-3 is not very good. Other approaches that are explicitly built to represent massive amount of knowledge in "neural" associative memories are better at it.

As a dialog system, it's not very good either. Again, other approaches that are explicitly trained to perform to interact with people are better at it.

It's entertaining, and perhaps mildly useful as a creative help. But trying to build intelligent machines by scaling up language models is like a high-altitude airplanes to go to the moon. You might beat altitude records, but going to the moon will require a completely different approach.

It's quite possible that some of the current approaches could be the basis of a good QA system for medical applicatioms. The system could be trained on the entire medical literature and answer questions from physicians. But compiling massive amounts of operational knowledge from text is still very much a research topic.

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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It sounds like a big deal. What a tempting idea. And a colleague was mildly annoyed with me for how unimpressed I seemed. But you have to understand, the use cases you mention are shallow and limited. The heart of GPT, the fine-tuning, is gone. And it looks like even OpenAI gave up on letting users fine-tune, because it means they essentially do build an entirely new, expensive model for each use case. I wanted to ma…

I think the onus is on you to prove that the use cases are shallow and limited. I've seen GPT-3 already being used for diverse and interesting ideas that would not have occurred to me personally. However, even if they are, the point stands: currently, there are teams of people at companies all over the world tuning models for these shallow and limited use-cases. GPT-3 can replace them all, without OpenAI needing to i…

What other proof would you like, other than an example of what I wanted to do and can't?

(https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/ but for HN.)

For a more extensive rebuttal, I wrote one here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23346972 Though that was more a rebut of GPT in general as a path to AGI than metalearning in particular for generating memes.

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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> all around him there are biological living proofs that neural networks are probably a pretty good bet for AI... 100 years ago you would have been arguing that all around you are living proofs that ornithopters are probably a pretty good bet for artificial flight. You would have been wrong about that too.

We seem to be re-enacting the Symbolic vs Connectionist AI debate of the 80s, poorly. All I'm saying is, Norvig should have been more humble and included a chapter or two about ANNs, with all the research accumulated thus far, instead of betting 100% for the symbolic approach. Let the next generation of students learn both approaches and decide for themselves. It's sad that a whole generation of students was taught A…

> All I'm saying is, Norvig should have been more humble and included a chapter or two about ANNs

No, that is not all you're saying. You opened with this:

"I personally think Norvig is an idiot with regards to Artificial Intelligence,"

Not only did you lob an ad hominem at one of the most respected members of the community simply for making an editorial decision 18 years ago that you happen not to agree with today, you did it from a newly created anonymous HN account, and then you tried to deny it. Your conduct here has been thoroughly dishonorable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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Just so you know, for GPT-3, Microsoft is going to be the exclusive licensee of the API: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/09/22/microsoft-teams-...

My understanding is that the exclusivity is with regard to the code, the API will still be offered to the public.

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Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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And when OpenAI says that your two entirely valid use cases are a safety concern, and denies you api access, what will you do? Better keep those ML engineers handy. If you think this isn’t a concern, I’ve already seen it happen with my own eyes, rather than hearing about it second hand. They encouraged someone to make a writing tool. That someone then spent roughly six weeks prototyping, iterating, and giving constan…

Just so you know, for GPT-3, Microsoft is going to be the exclusive licensee of the API: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/09/22/microsoft-teams-...

Um, as an outside observer, what is Open about this OpenAI GPT-3 then if they’re selling exclusive rights?

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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> Some people have completely unrealistic expectations about what large-scale language models such as GPT-3 can do. Just want to point out that he's saying the people on the upper end of the expectation distribution are wrong, not the people in the middle of it. So if you're takeaway from this is that GPT3 is nothing special, that's probably the wrong message.

Yes, I think the focus on "getting to the moon,", to use his analogy, ignores the fact that GPT-3 is an SR-71 in a world of 19th century balloons. It may not get to the moon, but it definitely points the way to lots of useful stuff. There is a lot of boilerplate text in the world that is well-suited to auto-generation by a GPT-3-style model. And currently a lot of people employed to generate that text, at significant…

I hate this concept. I have a lot of “boilerplate” real life interactions but I would never replace them with a robot. If people really think nuts and bolts writing is not a worthwhile enough endeavour for humans to do, then shame. What an immense forfeiture, to never again be surprised by a furniture catalogue.

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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I think the difference between a large language model and a human intelligence is that the human may perform some extra computation to make additional connections on his own. But other than that, aren't we all just large language models?

Not even remotely close. The difference is so big that it's almost harmful to the discussion to compare the way humans think (which we still don't have great understanding of) and the way language models work.

Can you elaborate? How is it harmful to discuss this?..

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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I think the onus is on you to prove that the use cases are shallow and limited. I've seen GPT-3 already being used for diverse and interesting ideas that would not have occurred to me personally. However, even if they are, the point stands: currently, there are teams of people at companies all over the world tuning models for these shallow and limited use-cases. GPT-3 can replace them all, without OpenAI needing to i…

What other proof would you like, other than an example of what I wanted to do and can't? ( https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/ but for HN.) For a more extensive rebuttal, I wrote one here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23346972 Though that was more a rebut of GPT in general as a path to AGI than metalearning in particular for generating memes.

GPT-3 not being suitable for your particular use case does not mean that all use cases are shallow and limited?

That being said, I'm not sure I understand why you can't use GPT-3 to make an HN simulator.

Re: Yann LeCun on GPT-3

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It sounds like a big deal. What a tempting idea. And a colleague was mildly annoyed with me for how unimpressed I seemed. But you have to understand, the use cases you mention are shallow and limited. The heart of GPT, the fine-tuning, is gone. And it looks like even OpenAI gave up on letting users fine-tune, because it means they essentially do build an entirely new, expensive model for each use case. I wanted to ma…

I think the onus is on you to prove that the use cases are shallow and limited. I've seen GPT-3 already being used for diverse and interesting ideas that would not have occurred to me personally. However, even if they are, the point stands: currently, there are teams of people at companies all over the world tuning models for these shallow and limited use-cases. GPT-3 can replace them all, without OpenAI needing to i…

What are the diverse and interesting ideas that would not have occurred to you personally?
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