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Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by riidom »

vegadw wrote: post #49
webwanderings wrote: post #12

I miss Typora's WYSIWYG Markdown editing in VS Code. For a note-taking, two pane window (one for editing and one for preview) makes very less sense.

So much this. I think it's the number one problem that Roam, Obsidian, and this has. Without live-rendered markdown it's more mental overhead than it's worth.

Obsidians source code display is pretty close to preview quality, actually. Sadly they don't dare to feature this in the official screenshots, they are all in preview mode.

Here is a side-by-side to get the idea (the theme may be subject to taste, but it's not really relevant to the topic anyway, and there are a lot, less fancy ones as well):

https://forum.obsidian.md/uploads/default/original/1X/3c3aaf...

Edit: word repetition

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by esperent »

WClayFerguson wrote: post #74
ww_wpg wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting but your app promotes this list of culture-war entertainers [0] and presents them as the "Intellectual Dark Web", including Ben "just sell your underwater house if the sea levels rise" Shapiro; that's a big red flag [0] https://quanta.wiki/app?id=5ca14747487e8f0001a3bcff#5ca25b1a...

I do plan on moving the IDW Podcast list to under my own personal blog node instead, and not directly on the portal, only because politics should be kept separate from career stuff imo.

Wouldn't it be better to just not give these crazies any more publicity?

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by slightwinder »

dvt wrote: post #9

Hacker News loves their note taking apps. I've seen at least a dozen apps this year that have solved the exact same problem in just about the exact same ways. Am I the only one that still uses pen and paper? To me, there's a certain je ne sais quoi about closing my laptop and putting my phone away , grabbing a pen and my notebook, and brainstorming without technology.

> I've seen at least a dozen apps this year that have solved the exact same problem in just about the exact same ways.

They only solve the problems the same way when viewed from distance. If you look closer, there often is a significant difference in some details which make them fundamental different tools.

> Am I the only one that still uses pen and paper?

I try it from time to time, and then fail over the shortcomings of paper. Additionally, with paper it's hard to manage digital content. Having a unified system for everything, that on top can even be automated is the real endgame of personal data managment.

> and brainstorming without technology.

Brainstorming is something differnt. It generates temporary data which you can throw away after wards. For this of course is paper better or a whiteboard. But you are supposed to clean up the results of the brainstorm-session and make something more lasting out of it, and for this digital media is better on long terms.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by slightwinder »

_huayra_ wrote: post #106

It's frustrating but completely understandable that the author chose to do this in VScode. The value of having a highly-customizable editor that is extensible in a well-known language is great. I really hope a true VSCode competitor will emerge in the future that is truly open source and not controlled by a company that does not have its users best interests in mind; all this Linux-friendly stuff Microsoft is doing l…

> not controlled by a company that does not have its users best interests in mind

The reason VS Code is so successful is exactly because it's under control of a company which has it's users best interests in mind. It's just that the users interest are not identical with some users political interest.

A users best interest is that the tool works without pain and solves the task at hand fast. Anything else comes afterwards. And VS Code is seems to be very dedicated to make exactly this possible. They don't compromise with pointless stuff, and focus on satisfying the most customers. And this works very well so far. Better than any open source-project I've seen to be honest.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by githubalphapapa »

stevekemp wrote: post #116
cmgxyz wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I went back to school to get my CS degree, I developed a pretty strict habit of only taking my lecture notes by hand, usually by printing out the lecture slides in advance and then annotating them with a bright turquoise fountain pen ink. Nowadays, for work, I use Org mode. Apart from the convenience of always having it to hand in my editor, being able to insert hyperlinks in my notes to specific lines in our so…

I'm the same, a lot of personal projects have notes on paper. But I've been keeping a daily work-journal for the past few years, and that has been very handy. I have one org-mode file for each company I've worked in, and each day I insert a new block with headings that make sense "Meetings", "Stories/Tickets/Projects", "Problems", etc. I make notes of commands, recipes, and tag things literally so get an integrated t…

Do you mean that you have a tag-cloud in Org? Is there a package for that?

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by slightwinder »

I remember I tried this one some months ago and was driven of by the obscure and pointless design for their note-managment. But otherwise it seemed like a very active and dedicated projects. And their Server Migration-plan is a promising future. So let's see how it will unfold next years...

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by slightwinder »

WClayFerguson wrote: post #28

The web platform I've created ( https://quanta.wiki ) has a lot of these same design principles, and I run a local copy of it for my personal note-taking. Some day there should emerge some kind of de-facto winner in this category, because it's so sad that it's 2020 and there's still not a super wide-spread mass-adoption kind of general purpose app for handling hierarchical data and interacting with it. When XML was i…

> When XML was invented I was sure it would change the world (and arguably, enabling RSS/Atom did), but now in 2020 you don't hear much about XML.

XML is a data-format, not an enduser-format. It's used everywhere, what is there more to hear about it?

> All word processors should be hierarchical rather than monolithic (linear)

No, they should not, it's just a pain. Word processors have hierarchical view, but enforcing it would be a harmful. In the first place, word processors are not note-systems. It's not their job to manage your files.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by githubalphapapa »

SamBam wrote: post #30

I haven't yet really tried to commit to one of these Roam-like tools (is there a word for a note-taking tool where every bullet is a nested note, and they can link to each other?), except for a small demo notebook I made, but I wonder how people feel they mesh with the concept of "evergreen" notes. I've found from using Evernote for a decade that I've really focussed on making evergreen notes -- notes that I continue…

> is there a word for a note-taking tool where every bullet is a nested note, and they can link to each other?

Org mode works that way, as well as supporting the one-note-per-file paradigm. It's a very flexible tool.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by stevekemp »

githubalphapapa wrote: post #135
stevekemp wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the same, a lot of personal projects have notes on paper. But I've been keeping a daily work-journal for the past few years, and that has been very handy. I have one org-mode file for each company I've worked in, and each day I insert a new block with headings that make sense "Meetings", "Stories/Tickets/Projects", "Problems", etc. I make notes of commands, recipes, and tag things literally so get an integrated t…

Do you mean that you have a tag-cloud in Org? Is there a package for that?

I have a table which contains all the distinct tags which have been used within the document, along with a count of how often they've been used. Clicking on the tag-name shows all the places it is used - via org-tags-view.

I guess I call it a tag-cloud, even if it isn't formatted like one would imagine on a web-page.

No package, just a bit of lisp-magic. I'd be happy to share an example if it were useful.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – A Hierarchical Tool for Thought

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Post by qmmmur »

_huayra_ wrote: post #106

It's frustrating but completely understandable that the author chose to do this in VScode. The value of having a highly-customizable editor that is extensible in a well-known language is great. I really hope a true VSCode competitor will emerge in the future that is truly open source and not controlled by a company that does not have its users best interests in mind; all this Linux-friendly stuff Microsoft is doing l…

Well, Dendron itself is now supporting the language server protocol. So in reality you will be able to take your Dendron knowledge wherever that is supported imminently.
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