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Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Contradicts their announcement on new product focus https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/08/11/changing-world-chan... And here is a 2013 post about the "next generation" engine (Servo) https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/04/03/mozilla-and-samsung... > So they cut teams that a) weren't directly working on their core browser and b) doesn't make money for spending on their browser. Exactly, that means they do not see any v…

Several parts of Servo have been incorporated into Firefox (Stylo, Webrender, Pathfinder and more). I think Servo was branded as a research project pretty early on. That it would replace Firefox wasn't very realistic.

Yes, however if Servo was stopped early on due to no "ROI" (like it is the case today). Then those very good improvements would have not been made.

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Mozilla already announced their new strategy, they are shifting into a "Product" focused company. Which why is they laid off all these teams. The browser is no longer the focus. Indeed they laid off the Servo team.

The browser is absolutely their focus which is why they laid off the Servo team. Servo is a research project, Gecko/Firefox is their browser. It's also a massive money sink. Firefox itself has zero income and yet keeping up with Google is fantastically expensive (even Microsoft decided to throw in the towel). So they cut teams that a) weren't directly working on their core browser and b) doesn't make money for spendi…

Firefox is the reason why Google pours so many millions in Mozilla. Hardly a money sink.

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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In my experience, acqui-hires benefit the company far more than the employees who get moved to a different company. The first time I was acquihired, my compensation actually decreased because they kept my base salary and rewrote the bonus structure such that it was impossible to hit previous payouts. Meanwhile, my prior company received a large payment for the transfer of our team. Ironically, the new company was pay…

As I see it, there's no requirement for you to take the aqui-hire and it's on you to ensure you are fairly compensated (no one else). So take it, interview, get an outside offer and then quit. Or don't take it, get fired, interview and get an outside offer. An aqui-hire is an option and more options are always good as long as you remember that which option you take it solely up to you.

This does seem pretty stupid for a company aqui-hiring a team: hey this is a great team! you know how difficult it is to find great people and then integrate them into a team, let's hire this team en masse! oh and let's treat them like shit when we do so they know who's the boss yeah!

hmm, I guess it's like the last season of Mad Men when McCann consumes SC&P.

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Except for the part about Firefox not making any money. Firefox is making most of the money.

It gets a fixed amount of money from Google for using them as the default search engine. But what I meant was Firefox has no means to actual generate an income in its own right. Mozilla have tried. The reactions have not been good. The money from Google is practically a donation at this point. It's not exactly an altruistic one but it's not exactly a pure business transaction either given Firefox's current market sha…

Is it even possible to donate money to Firefox development and not to greedy CEOs?

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Had an idea of trying to "script" things for games, the idea was to use a the WASM backend of a regular C/C++ compiler to generate code that could be loaded dynamically and share structures (ignoring sandbox for this) so that testing could be done seamlessly, sadly WASM seems to be 32bit for the time being (atleast for Clang, dunno about GCC but that has other issues), also looked at Risc-V and missing export/import…

Sounds awesome. I have some abstractions for making interfacing easier, but I don't have any auto-generated structures. https://github.com/fwsGonzo/rvscript I have done that here. Example: APICALL(api_math_smoothstep) { auto [edge0, edge1, x] = machine.sysargs (); x = std::clamp((x - edge0) / (edge1 - edge0), 0.0f, 1.0f); machine.cpu.registers().getfl(10).set_float(x * x * (3 - 2 * x)); return 0; } "machine" is an ar…

Oh! So the emulator i was looking at was yours, it looked damn nice for just this task and i guess i know why now :D

Good choice on using var-arg-templates for passing arguments between env and host, i think moving over all scripting bindings to va-templatized bindings is the only sane option for the future (boy have i spent time fighting binding bugs in my days)

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Is this a post from the 90s ? Who is working in a team worth acquihiring and then plans on being on unemployment benefits or has trouble finding a new job ? And I can't remember the last time someone asked about referrals ...

Anecdotally I have 5 years professional experience and every time I'm looking for work people have always asked for at least 1 referral

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Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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RISC-V is from a significantly differing category. A category for WASM doesn't really exist yet, there is nothing else like this -- a relatively low level bytecode language with high-level features such as nominal types, garbage collection, modules.

IMO such a category existed for quite a long time, JVM and .NET all falls into this category. Yes WASM has its fame for becoming a browser standard, but fundamentally, there is very little difference between WASM and JVM.

JVM has objects as the basic building block. For WASM it's linear memory(ies), so it's lower level, and was created from the start to support languages like C/C++. .NET indeed looks quite similar, given that it supports C++ compilation, tough I'm not familiar enough with the compilation model to draw comparisons.

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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It gets a fixed amount of money from Google for using them as the default search engine. But what I meant was Firefox has no means to actual generate an income in its own right. Mozilla have tried. The reactions have not been good. The money from Google is practically a donation at this point. It's not exactly an altruistic one but it's not exactly a pure business transaction either given Firefox's current market sha…

Is it even possible to donate money to Firefox development and not to greedy CEOs?

You can't donate to Mozilla Corp full stop. Besides which Firefox users are strongly opposed to "nags" in the browser as Mozilla have found. Even wikipedia, with it's massive reach and yearly nags, "only" makes ~$120 million. Firefox could never hope to reach anything like that from donations alone and it needs many times that number to keep pace with Google Chrome's practically unlimited funds.

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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Just curious, why do you have such a strong interest in the WASI logo? That seems tangential to wasmer’s concerns.

We use the logo in the wapm website [1]. Using a non-accessible logo that is hard to read provides a non-ideal experience for our visitors, so we can't really use it unless it becomes more polished. This forced wapm to use a different WASI logo than the "official" one, which is also a non-ideal experience (it adds fragmentation). That's why we believe is just better to push all along a bit more polished logo. Is such…

I don't think anyone believes you "peter"

Re: Fastly hires entire Wasmtime team from Mozilla

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We use the logo in the wapm website [1]. Using a non-accessible logo that is hard to read provides a non-ideal experience for our visitors, so we can't really use it unless it becomes more polished. This forced wapm to use a different WASI logo than the "official" one, which is also a non-ideal experience (it adds fragmentation). That's why we believe is just better to push all along a bit more polished logo. Is such…

I don't think anyone believes you "peter"

You are free to believe in what you want, of course
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