How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by vrsmn » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 5:22 PM UTC

what really caught my attention, is that is a gif image screencast

How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)
quicklisp.org

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

#2

Post by antifuchs » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 5:48 PM UTC

Note that the first part (the one before he types "(quit)") is something you have to do only once - to set up the system itself. Any library in the distribution will install as easily as cl-ppcre did.

With all the talk about "curses" going on right now, I'm pretty happy we lisp hackers actually have something available that integrates so much high-quality software so well.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by kruhft » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 5:56 PM UTC

I think quicklisp is a great system, but didn't asdf do the same thing? It would download and install packages for you just like ql, so I'm wondering what the obvious advantages of ql are over asdf-install, other than being the hot new thing.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by zachbeane » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 6:04 PM UTC

kruhft wrote: post #3

I think quicklisp is a great system, but didn't asdf do the same thing? It would download and install packages for you just like ql, so I'm wondering what the obvious advantages of ql are over asdf-install, other than being the hot new thing.

There are a number of ways I think Quicklisp improves on asdf-install. Here are a few:

* Quicklisp centralizes metadata and project archives, so you don't have to rely on a world-writable wiki and 10 random servers on the internet to install a project

* Quicklisp doesn't need any external programs like tar or gzip

* It works nicely on Windows

* There is a level of integration testing before projects are published; it's not much, but it's way better than nothing

* It works with projects that don't go through a formal "release a tarball" process

* It can be installed by loading a single Lisp source file

* It's not named asdf-install, so not confusing people about where asdf stops and asdf-install begins

The main way they do the same thing is at a very high level. I think Quicklisp gets more of the important details right.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by slyrus » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 6:07 PM UTC

kruhft wrote: post #3

I think quicklisp is a great system, but didn't asdf do the same thing? It would download and install packages for you just like ql, so I'm wondering what the obvious advantages of ql are over asdf-install, other than being the hot new thing.

Be careful not to confuse ASDF with ASDF-INSTALL.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by kruhft » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 6:10 PM UTC

zachbeane wrote: post #4

kruhft wrote: post #3

I think quicklisp is a great system, but didn't asdf do the same thing? It would download and install packages for you just like ql, so I'm wondering what the obvious advantages of ql are over asdf-install, other than being the hot new thing.

There are a number of ways I think Quicklisp improves on asdf-install. Here are a few: * Quicklisp centralizes metadata and project archives, so you don't have to rely on a world-writable wiki and 10 random servers on the internet to install a project * Quicklisp doesn't need any external programs like tar or gzip * It works nicely on Windows * There is a level of integration testing before projects are published; it…

Thanks for the good response. I'll be taking a closer look into ql as soon as I can.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by zachbeane » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 6:18 PM UTC

kruhft wrote: post #6

zachbeane wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of ways I think Quicklisp improves on asdf-install. Here are a few: * Quicklisp centralizes metadata and project archives, so you don't have to rely on a world-writable wiki and 10 random servers on the internet to install a project * Quicklisp doesn't need any external programs like tar or gzip * It works nicely on Windows * There is a level of integration testing before projects are published; it…

Thanks for the good response. I'll be taking a closer look into ql as soon as I can.

Also, you can have it both ways: asdf-install is installable via Quicklisp.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by davidw » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 7:54 PM UTC

It's nice to see that I'm not the only one left using that font ( -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 ) for my terminals. Anything else bugs me.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by eschulte » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 7:57 PM UTC

Great to see quicklisp mentioned here. Hopefully this will stem the tide of "but common lisp has no libraries/package-management systems" comments.

Re: How long does it take to install and try Quicklisp? (a gif screencast)

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Post by zachbeane » Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 7:58 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #8

It's nice to see that I'm not the only one left using that font ( -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 ) for my terminals. Anything else bugs me.

I normally use 7x14, but used 6x13 to get a slightly smaller terminal for the screencast.