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‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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blm202021 wrote: post #414
cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #205

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>I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. I understand your argument but I also in no way want to distract from the culpability owned by social media companies, their product designers and managers, and the people who wrote the code to implement their desires. They are ultimately guilty for the damage they have wrought on our societies. Traditional media companies may have exacerbated the…

I'm going to retort, specifically in the context of a very important issue in the US currently: the BLM movement. Contrary to popular thought, the "liberal" media utterly failed minorities. The abuse of minorities in the US spans generations and has consistently been relegated to the margins of mainstream news. It has been typical in the US -- for decades -- for the NY Times to grant a single death in Israel front pa…

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Veen wrote: post #454
blm202021 wrote: post #414

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I'm going to retort, specifically in the context of a very important issue in the US currently: the BLM movement. Contrary to popular thought, the "liberal" media utterly failed minorities. The abuse of minorities in the US spans generations and has consistently been relegated to the margins of mainstream news. It has been typical in the US -- for decades -- for the NY Times to grant a single death in Israel front pa…

Which media companies and which families? I’d like to verify those claims about zero minority executives and board members?

Forget the boards, the LA Times has one (1) black reporter out of 90 covering local news. LA is 8% black. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/874530954/rancor-erupts-in-la...

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bootlooped wrote: post #502
cortesoft wrote: post #415

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Twitter links on my phone never work... i will click on the link to a tweet, and then it will just say "failed to load content" So I guess I somehow do block twitter?

I get this a lot and not just on my phone. What is wrong with their site?

They definitely block all of AWS, are you using a VPN or similar aggregated connection?

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Post by ggggtez »

another-dave wrote: post #56

I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. "Vox pops" have formed part of filling air-time or column inches for a long while, but this is largely replaced now by journalists looking at Twitter and either a) using that as a stand-in for 'this is what the public think' or b) making it the story itself. Social media is no longer just "second screen" below-the-line commenting on events, it's hel…

> journalists looking at Twitter and either a) using that as a stand-in for 'this is what the public think' or b) making it the story itself.

I'm surprised that you say that the main culprit is the main stream media. I see this kind of reporting in all news outlets, especially non-MSM. It's cheap and trivial to write an article that highlights some comments from four people with 15 twitter followers a piece, and claim that "People are saying".

You even hear the POTUS frequently use "people are saying" and then quoting whackadoos from Twitter. Can we really hold MSM to a higher standard than the president of the free world?

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Post by mdifrgechd »

arethuza wrote: post #215
rmrfstar wrote: post #184

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It's a great book, but that excerpt reflects a pretty shallow read of 1984. It doesn't account for this specific example, the use of outrage as an instrument of social control.

I think fear will always be a more powerful means of influence than desire: "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." Although said by one of the Nazi leaders - I don't think it is any less true.

Wow, that couldn't be more relevant right now with covid

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Post by tpxl »

shadowgovt wrote: post #515
tpxl wrote: post #508

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I'll bite, what the fuck is passive racism?

The unconscious biases people walk around with in their heads. They're things people pick up without realizing it that lead to friction for minorities in society. Studies have shown that people who don't think themselves to be actually racist still act in race-discriminatory ways. For example, people with non-ethic-names get more callbacks for their resume controlled for qualifications on the resume ( https://www.nbe…

So a bad way to say unconscious racism.

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Post by Reelin »

shadowgovt wrote: post #367
luckylion wrote: post #353

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I think research & evidence is vague when you include gender & diversity studies in sciences. There's a lot that's barely above an essay, it'll stick for a few years and then get retracted (gender pay gap anyone?) The cultish behavior surrounding it ("I'm a sinner, even though I never know when I'm sinning, I'm worthless, oh please, Lord, forgive me, I submit myself before your will") makes it look like a replacement…

> "I'm a sinner, even though I never know when I'm sinning" The entire point of the courses I've seen is to bring people awareness of unconscious bias and thereby help them transition from ignorant commission of error to awareness of the potential for such error. And unconscious bias doesn't make one "worthless," it's (as far as we can tell) pretty ordinary human behavior.

Disclaimer: I realize the below could be interpreted in an inflammatory manner. I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY. I just find it absolutely unbelievable that someone could honestly claim not to see the clear religious parallels here.

The entire point of the [bible camp] I've seen is to bring people awareness of [unconscious sinning] and thereby help them transition from ignorant commission of [sin] to awareness of the potential for [sin]. And [unconscious sinning] doesn't make one "worthless," it's (as far as we can tell) pretty ordinary human behavior [since we're all born in sin]. (https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-biblical-ev...)

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wnissen wrote: post #522
Veen wrote: post #454

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Which media companies and which families? I’d like to verify those claims about zero minority executives and board members?

Forget the boards, the LA Times has one (1) black reporter out of 90 covering local news. LA is 8% black. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/874530954/rancor-erupts-in-la...

I will not "Forget the boards". blm202021 made a factual claim to back up their argument. I want to know whether that claim is true.

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Post by throwaway2245 »

crazygringo wrote: post #520
throwaway2245 wrote: post #501

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The Martin Luther King quote that begins: "I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate," should be read in full. If you define a centrist as someone who finds the status quo a reasonable compromise, and you recognise that the history of the United States (among others) and its status quo is infused with white supremacy, then it's unsurprising that a self-declar…

But that's not how centrism is defined. Centrist public opinion is very different from the status quo, and this is a hugely important distinction to make. The status quo is set mainly by elites who have a vested interest in their own wealth and power. The "center" of public opinion, when you actually survey people in detail on the preferences they hold, does not match particularly well with government policy in the U…

>Centrist public opinion is very different from the status quo

The centre of public opinion might be different from the status quo, I don't want to argue about that here.

I was doubting that people who identify as 'centrist' usually hold the 'centre of public opinion'; I think they are more likely to hold a significantly right-wing opinion on most issues.

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Post by danmaz74 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #349
SuoDuanDao wrote: post #332

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How is that not the same as forcing people to stay in an unpleasant class until they confess to racism?

I believe the fact some people perceive it to be is the root of, perhaps, quite a bit of consternation on the issue. But I see it is the same as forcing people to stay in an unpleasant class until they understand type theory. We teach people things they need to know so that they know them, because knowledge is useful. We're certainly not calling the question of "having education seminars" into question, are we?

Having to publicly humiliate yourself is pure Maoism. How can you compare it to learning type theory?
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