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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by CptFribble »

selectodude wrote: post #345
duxup wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"ZH was talking about coronavirus way earlier than anyone else" I've seen that claim too and found it questionable. Almost every major news outlet that would cover international news I found had some story about coronavirus pretty dang early. It wasn't a breathless story predicting the impact, but they covered it. I feel like most media "media does this" or "didn't do that" is mostly just what passed in front of some…

ZH was saying that it was going to be a catastrophe before China even started lying about how they had it under control.

To be fair, almost everything on ZH is predicting catastrophe - ZH is rife with prepper-flavored "this is the big one" reports on things like FEMA operations, rumors of potential false flag attacks, and of course various financial instrument movements. 99% of what ZH says is the end of all things fades into nothingness.

ZH is the canonical example of a correct-twice-daily broken clock.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

RIMR wrote: post #310
hamsterOnWheel wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there needs to be rules about transparency for media companies. In court you have to argue about and explain any disallowance of evidence; however in the court of public opinion, the media, no such rules apply. Obviously you have to be careful when coming up with rules for government regulation of media, but the laissez faire thing we're doing now doesn't seem to be heading on a positive trendline.

You are describing the abridging private organizations' right to free speech by congress... Twitter isn't the government, and they don't control speech anywhere but on the platform that they own. They could ban the American Flag and they still wouldn't owe anyone an explanation short of their stakeholders who are going to want to know how this factors into Twitter's only business: Selling ads.

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Post by einpoklum »

Old maxim:

> I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

(due to Evelyn Beatrice Hall, biographer of Voltaire)

new maxim:

> I disapprove of what you say, and will defend through your profile's death against your being able to say it.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

colordrops wrote: post #381
dudul wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it what they finally settled on? because we've heard "we don't relay unverified news" and "we don't relay hacked information" as well.

Either way it's ridiculous. Most news is unverified. And the NY Post article wasn't hacked information.

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by username3 »

Moderation on Facebook and Twitter can be solved by letting us choose our own moderators and moderation rules.

Twitter has a toggle for obscene material. Give us a toggle for misinformation.

Aether does this. You can choose your own moderator.

https://getaether.net/

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by eli »

dilap wrote: post #185
eli wrote: post #26

The Post still hasn't deleted the offending tweet. Those are the rules: on a first violation of posting someone's personal information without permission you get your account locked until you delete the tweet.

But Twitter has officially stated it was a mistake to block posting of the link to the Post's story. So why is the Post's account still locked? More generally, it does not appear Twitter is impartially enforcing standards against leaking private information. There are no problems posting stories to Trump's illegally-leaked tax returns, or Melania's phone calls, for example.

Two separate things: blocking the link and locking the account.

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Post by chroem- »

RIMR wrote: post #310
hamsterOnWheel wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there needs to be rules about transparency for media companies. In court you have to argue about and explain any disallowance of evidence; however in the court of public opinion, the media, no such rules apply. Obviously you have to be careful when coming up with rules for government regulation of media, but the laissez faire thing we're doing now doesn't seem to be heading on a positive trendline.

You are describing the abridging private organizations' right to free speech by congress... Twitter isn't the government, and they don't control speech anywhere but on the platform that they own. They could ban the American Flag and they still wouldn't owe anyone an explanation short of their stakeholders who are going to want to know how this factors into Twitter's only business: Selling ads.

> You are describing the abridging private organizations' right to free speech by congress...

There is a large amount of legal precedent in the US for the government being able to compel speech of private businesses, both in laws and court rulings. If you don't believe me, go look at your nearest "nutrition facts" label. But we have precedents that go much deeper than that, up to and including compelled speech that goes against the religious principles of a business's founders. There is no realistic argument for the government being unable to compel a private company like Twitter to cease censoring posts on political grounds.

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Post by keiferski »

tqi wrote: post #397
keiferski wrote: post #118

Honestly, I see this kind of action as good. The sooner the population at large realizes that Big Social aren't neutral players in the marketplace of ideas, the better. We need decentralized solutions, ASAP, and the only way that's going to happen is when normal people start caring.

Advocating for decentralization feels like presenting filter bubbles and echo chambers as a positive feature.

No, it means advocating for independent methods of verification that aren’t controlled by biased, unelected, unaccountable corporate entities.

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Post by ilikehurdles »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

> It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth.

You present this as an axiom, like it's some kind of foregone conclusion, but why? Why shouldn't they be allowed to curate what content makes on their platform? I'm not saying they should have a legal mandate to judge truth, but if they object to certain publications, articles, authors, posts, etc, that's up to them.

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