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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Twitter's lack of transparency is depressing. If they're going to lock the NY Post account, they should put a notification on the page (and perhaps a reason why). Right now if you go to the NY Post Twitter it just looks like they voluntarily decided to stop tweeting, which is misinformation.

Meh. Just go to the NYPost directly if you want.

We shouldn't be forcing and infringing on the freedoms of corporations to decide what they can sell/show.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. Interesting... after reading this, I immediately thought: same as Zero Hedge (also often criticised). But then again, that shouldn't be a surprise - b…

Not-so-fun fact: according to the mods on /r/conservative, submissions from zerohedge are currently banned site-wide.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/jhksrq/do_not...

It seems to check out: https://old.reddit.com/domain/zerohedge.com/new/

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

> It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false

This only works if they remove themselves from choosing what to show who, what to promote, and what to demote.

As long as they are actively choosing who will see what, how often, what things will be promoted, etc. Then they are basically the judge and jury. This is their current dilemma. That's why they're starting to have stronger moderation. They'd want to actively promote things that make them money, and moderate away all things that puts them in hot water, without it affecting the money they make.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

#194

Twitter's lack of transparency is depressing. If they're going to lock the NY Post account, they should put a notification on the page (and perhaps a reason why). Right now if you go to the NY Post Twitter it just looks like they voluntarily decided to stop tweeting, which is misinformation.

As a counterpoint, Twitter as a company isn't forced to do any such thing, so if they think it can hurt its userbase and its revenue, it won't be done. Social media tries to establish a unique public forum, that gets policed by a single company. It's an unsustainable, doomed model. There's a reason the Internet as a whole is serviced by miriads of companies that are more or less forced to cooperate.

But such massive companies probably should be held to standards similar to governments... they probably will eventually.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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The outrage over this move is so disingenuous. Reputable news outlets deemed this story to lack credibility, including the NY Post's more reputable (but still conservative, pro Trump!) sister publication, WSJ.

It's not the NY Post's inherent right to inject misinformation into elections.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Can you say more about how this violates 230? That wasn’t my understanding of how the law works, but I could be wrong.

https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230 'Section 230 says that "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" (47 U.S.C. § 230). In other words, online intermediaries that host or republish speech are protected against a range of laws that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for wh…

That doesn't explain what "agreements" you think twitter is "breaking". There's a lot of disinformation about 230 floating around, but as the EFF page points out, it's a broad protection. It isn't at all contingent on them behaving like a common carrier.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

Unfortunately most people are too blinded by political allegiance too correctly decide what is true. Might be a damming view of the common person but that doesn't make it untrue.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Power companies are regulated monopolies. There are no competitors. Twitter is in no way even close to the only way to publish something. It is no where near as difficult to publish on a different platform than it is to generate your own power. If an ISP was cutting off the NyPost, I would have issues with that. If they had their domain name seized, I would have an issue with that. If other ISPs blocked network route…

A very small handful of companies have a stranglehold over the lion's share of all global communications: Google, Facebook, Apple, Twitter. So maybe Twitter isn't quite a monopoly on its own, but the consolidation of control over information and data distribution into the hands of a very small number of organizations has worrying implications for how we think about censorship and freedom of speech.

Those companies have a MUCH weaker stranglehold over global communications than the media companies of 30 years ago. I can publish a website and have it viewed by (almost) anyone in the world without going through any of those 4 companies.

If you had a video or book or article 30 years ago, you couldn't even distribute it yourself around the world without the partnership of a major media company. It is way easier now.

Did people consider this a danger to free speech in the 90s? I certainly don't remember it that way. No one was worried that you couldn't get a main stream publisher to publish your crackpot theories, or that no cable tv station would air your crazy rants. No, you were forced to self publish, and deal with the fact that your audience was a lot smaller than if you could get a major publisher/media company to publish your work.

The NyPost still has a website, and anyone can still go to see it. It is way more accessible than self-published work was 30 years ago.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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What a hot mess. I am imagining those years of looking at terrible National Enquirer headlines at store checkouts. This kind of terrible reporting as always existed, but for some reason (luckily I guess) they never crossed over into national discourse the way that stories do online. I never begrudged the store for carrying them and selling them. If Wal-Mart suddenly felt the need to arbitrate on the accuracy of every…

It's all about how it's packaged. In the grocery store under a gossip magazine about who cheated on who, and people roll their eyes. The same lie being shared by everyone from your cousins to the president of the united states tends to be seen a little different to the eyes of people who prefer to defer their critical thinking capacities to whoever is the loudest and most charismatic.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Stoped reading after the author made an equivalent comparison between NYT and Brietbart...I mean, you're not fooling anyone with the "un-biased, unaffiliated voter just searching for the truth" shtick. It's 2020 buddy, we see what you're doing.

OP here, the statement mentioning Breitbart alongside the NYT isn't meant to make them equivalent. It's meant to point out that I follow media outlets with major influence for their respective audience. Breitbart is unfortunately a favorite for Republican audiences alongside Fox News, which is why they're mentioned. It's important to track media outlets that have large influence over Democrat and Republican audiences to be aware of what the parties will use as "evidence" to their position and the downfall of those sources.
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