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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by olivermarks »

ultrarunner wrote: post #132
olivermarks wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

Can you say more about how this violates 230? That wasn’t my understanding of how the law works, but I could be wrong.

https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230

'Section 230 says that "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" (47 U.S.C. § 230). In other words, online intermediaries that host or republish speech are protected against a range of laws that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for what others say and do. The protected intermediaries include not only regular Internet Service Providers (ISPs), but also a range of "interactive computer service providers," including basically any online service that publishes third-party content. Though there are important exceptions for certain criminal and intellectual property-based claims, CDA 230 creates a broad protection that has allowed innovation and free speech online to flourish'.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by cjjuice »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #125
cjjuice wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

If social media companies don't want to be used as transmission vectors of obvious foreign political influence, then they don't have to be. Just like if they don't want to be used as transmission vectors of pornography or any other type of content, then they don't have to be. In both cases it requires setting some sort of content standard and making decisions about whether the content meets that standard.

If it is truly foreign influence, then it is on the FBI/DoJ to do the investigation and publicly declare it as such and order it to be taken down.

Social Media companies are not equipped to make that distinction and should not do so.

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Post by tathougies »

function_seven wrote: post #31
blhack wrote: post #19

To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Twitter is not a utility. It is not common infrastructure. The Internet is, and I would not be okay with Internet access being terminated over political disagreements. But individual services? Sure, why not? For those who argue that Twitter is a de facto common platform, well these decisions are moving them away from that role. The more they exercise their own prerogatives in removing content, the more they're no lon…

> Twitter is not a utility. It is not common infrastructure.

Great, then they should not be subject to section 230 protection, which protects them from liability from user-generated content. If they are a private publishing site, they should be entitled to all the privileges and responsibilities of such sites, as well established in the common law.

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Post by keiferski »

bigbubba wrote: post #124
droffel wrote: post #107

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> scarily accurate As the saying goes, Zerohedge has predicted 28 of the last 4 recessions. They have a consistently bearish bias (which rarely seems to play out), and ties to the Russian state, which brings into question the motivations behind their criticisms of the US (not that I'm the biggest fan myself). All of that said, ZH introduced me to a lot of economic literature and concepts I likely wouldn't have been e…

ZH proudly flaunts their bearish bias. The name Zero Hedge really says it all. Their motto, 'On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everybody drops to zero' , makes this explicit.

That's a quote from Fight Club and more of a joke than anything, IIRC.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by bigbubba »

teachrdan wrote: post #121
bigbubba wrote: post #88

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The New York Times once allowed itself to be used as a mouthpiece for Stalin, publishing Walter Duranty's denials of famine in Ukraine. They didn't come clean on this until 1990: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/24/opinion/the-editorial-not... More recently, they allowed themselves to be used as the uncritical mouthpiece of the American federal government when they were starting an illegal war predicated on lies: http…

This seems to be a straw man argument. No in this thread is arguing that only "pure" outlets should be respected. The question is whether it was correct to lock the account of a media outlet that seems to be deliberately publishing news they know to be likely untruthful in an effort to sway the upcoming US presidential election.

Would twitter have blocked NYTimes in response to Walter Duranty or Judith Miller's reporting? Denying genocide or uncritically spreading pro-war propaganda seem comparably egregious to anything the NYPost has done.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

dsaavy wrote: post #106
rwoodley wrote: post #68

Well the fact is the NY Times story is probably accurate and the NY Post story is extremely suspect. Twitter made a journalistic decision not to spread trash, possibly from Russia, that could have a real impact on our election result. Tough call, but the right call. If twitter sees itself as having some sort of moderator role than it has to make these judgement calls. Other outlets didn't amplify the Hunter Biden lap…

It would maybe be more understandable if the Director of National Intelligence hadn't made the statement he did [1], which was only a few days after the incident. Why wouldn't Twitter unlock their account then? So unless there is a huge conspiracy that you have evidence of where the DNI is straight up lying to everyone, I think it's fair to say that it's not misinformation from foreign parties. [1] "Director of Natio…

Ah yes, no less of an authority than the unimpeachably qualified John Ratcliffe.

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Post by quacked »

cma wrote: post #72
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

After the Covington stuff, isn't it a good thing they are taking more time to figure out the context around short inflammatory videos?

I didn't mention it in the original comment because I didn't want the heat, but the Covington event was actually the exact event I was thinking of. By the time I saw the fully unedited raw videos of the guy and the kid, I'd already seen dozens of memes and many official news articles/videos comparing the "Covington Kid" to anti-protestors during the Civil Rights movement. The full, unedited videos show the truth; it was a complete non-event. Totally changed my perspective on the kid and the protestor; they went from symbols of a struggle for rights to two people who happened to run into each other in Washington, D.C.

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Post by lucaspm98 »

raunakdag wrote: post #85
someguydave wrote: post #66

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Those organizations all have a leftward slant. But thank you for informing me of your skew.

Interesting that @ap is considered a leftward slant. I’m not sure if you’d consider Reuters the same at that point?

This site tends to have fairly reliable analysis of media biases, and AP falls questionably between center and leaning left.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/associated-press-media-...

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

OliverGilan wrote: post #105
eli wrote: post #26

The Post still hasn't deleted the offending tweet. Those are the rules: on a first violation of posting someone's personal information without permission you get your account locked until you delete the tweet.

How do they delete the tweet if they're locked out of the account?

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Post by martythemaniak »

dang threatened to turf me from HN because I paraphrased Masha Gessen's views on Trump, which is too political and/or troll-y for HN. This is fine, it's his turf and he can chuck me or anyone else out whenever he feels like it.

Since people here think Twitter is in the wrong, my question is when do I get these protections on HN? Do I have to implement them on forums I run? How big does a company have to get before they have to implement these protections? Who oversees and enforces these things? How is "big" defined anyway? After all, HN is already bigger than Twitter was at some point. Do we use MAUs, DAUs? Number of words/day, etc?

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