Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by btbuildem » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:40 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #19

To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Well.. that would be a breach of contract (providing NYP paid their utility bills) and they could be sued.

With Twitter et al, their service is free and "you are the product", so.. they can ban you whenever with no recourse at all.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by Tokkemon » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:40 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #22

Twitters censorship just serves to further polarize and divide people. As the right bails on twitter and goes to pure conservative echo chambers and the left stays in their leftist echo chambers... any shared interactions are lost. Even though it's their right as a private company...its truly a shame that Twitter is acting like this.

If a faction of society that breeds on lies decides to self-isolate and/or act in a way to get pushed out of the mainstream, that shouldn't be a controversial action. The faction does it to themselves.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by Enginerrrd » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

edmundsauto wrote: post #39

quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

Is the "time to publication" a useful metric, when the cost is accuracy? Once something incorrect is published, it has a lot more weight than a retraction/correction.

I agree with you but I don't think that was the real essence of their criticism. It was more about releasing actual primary sources instead of a heavily edited version of their own narrative with very little of the prinary source remaining.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by read_if_gay_ » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

eli wrote: post #29

bmarquez wrote: post #15

Twitter's lack of transparency is depressing. If they're going to lock the NY Post account, they should put a notification on the page (and perhaps a reason why). Right now if you go to the NY Post Twitter it just looks like they voluntarily decided to stop tweeting, which is misinformation.

Is there any reason to think the NY Post didn't get a notification with a reason why?

GP is arguing there should be a user-facing notification.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by blhack » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #40

blhack wrote: post #19

To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Power companies are regulated monopolies. There are no competitors. Twitter is in no way even close to the only way to publish something. It is no where near as difficult to publish on a different platform than it is to generate your own power. If an ISP was cutting off the NyPost, I would have issues with that. If they had their domain name seized, I would have an issue with that. If other ISPs blocked network route…

>There are no competitors.

What an absurd statement to make on hacker news of all places, where every minor movement of tesla/solar city is reported as breaking news. Or in a world where more and more people are going "off grid" and making their own electricity.

The power company is the easiest/most convenient way to power my home. It is definitely not the only way to do it.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by tyrust » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

recursive wrote: post #9

damagednoob wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Suddenly". You have to work really hard to make sure your timeline includes centre leaning views, never mind right leaning.

"centre leaning" Could you draw a diagram of this?

Beats me; maybe something like Michael Jackson leaning directly forward in the Smooth Criminal video (https://youtu.be/h_D3VFfhvs4?t=424).

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by SpaceRaccoon » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

ummonk wrote: post #11

I mean, isn't it good when they uniformly apply policies against sharing illicitly obtained private content?

Should Twitter have blocked all the accounts sharing the Panama Papers?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by apta » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #19

To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Watch them change their opinion when there are unproven articles published about Trump by left wing media.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by fareesh » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

But, citizens of Detroit, OCP is a private company, they can do what they want!

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by vmception » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

baggy_trough wrote: post #27

vmception wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people want to ignore that being pro-"free speech" means private sector corporations can choose which speech they want to associate with too just like an individual can. You have the right to say whatever you want, everyone else has the right to not allow it on their property. There is no first amendment right to compelled listening. We aren't remotely close to having that. There isn't even a s…

I think the issue is that people like me aren't interested in any sort of filtering or curation from Twitter, Facebook, etc. We simply want to see what the people we follow have to say, in linear time order. That was the initial premise of these sites, and it's unfortunate that it is becoming more editorial in nature.

yes but that ship has sailed so long ago now, has it been a decade? like its been non-linear timelines longer than the timeline feature was existing on social networks.

from what I perceive, the angst now comes from Twitter, Facebook and Google acting like arbiters of truth or a moral high ground, when its clear they aren't and might be so drunk on their own koolaid that they can't perceive it internally.

it would be clearer for us for them to just say "we arbitrarily censor some things at our own discretion, there is no rhyme or reason to it, we all went to stanford and live within 2 miles of each other so it might have a pattern of leaning left, but it might not too, we have the right to refuse service to anyone, go somewhere else if thats a problem, but we might buy that service too"