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‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by shadowgovt »

rayiner wrote: post #4

I like the More in Common Project. But it overlooks the disproportionate representation of the extremists in our institutions. This happened at my alma matter earlier this year: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... . They also voted to abandon entrance exams at my magnet high school: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4979 It’s not comforting to know that only a tiny minority of people a…

The 'Founding Fathers' in the US were landowners, merchants, and publishers. This is a common pattern.

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Post by monoideism »

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #227
Pelic4n wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is terrifying, almost cult-like. The fact that this is what "fighting racism" looks like when forced hysterectomies are performed on undocumented immigrants in concentration camps show that it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this.

>it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this. It's about power and is using something people are very unlikely to disagree with to grab at power. "We're anti-racists, therefore if you oppose us or our actions you must be racists". "We're anti-fascist, therefore if you oppose us or our actions you must be fascists". And it's very effective. Just look at the choke-hold it has corporate America in, i…

> And it's very effective

Yes, the CRT/Woke crowd learned well from the success of Frank Lunz and similar conservatives in the 80s and 90s.

Their ideology may well break apart the country, but their linguistic propaganda is very effective, indeed.

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Post by jariel »

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #205
another-dave wrote: post #56

I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. "Vox pops" have formed part of filling air-time or column inches for a long while, but this is largely replaced now by journalists looking at Twitter and either a) using that as a stand-in for 'this is what the public think' or b) making it the story itself. Social media is no longer just "second screen" below-the-line commenting on events, it's hel…

>I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. I understand your argument but I also in no way want to distract from the culpability owned by social media companies, their product designers and managers, and the people who wrote the code to implement their desires. They are ultimately guilty for the damage they have wrought on our societies. Traditional media companies may have exacerbated the…

The PMs of Facebook are not responsible for the decision by CNN producers to use Twitter commentary as a source of information and legitimacy.

I'm not generally one to speak out against capitalism, but having come from a country that has 'strong, communitarian and cultural ideals' - I believe that hyper-individualism and capitalism have created an ugly, 'perfect storm of self flagellation' here with MSM, Social Media, Politics, Entertainment.

'Communitarian ideals' mean that there are unspoken rules of legitimacy, fraternity, civility, professionalism etc. that exist in many fields like the media, even in politics where all the 'grey areas' of civility count for so much, a lot of US Senate functions like this historically.

These soft ideals however leave the door way open for radicals and money-seekers to 'disrupt' and take over, justifying their cause through either 'moral legitimacy of social justice' or 'responsibility towards shareholders' - or, like in the case of Nike for example - both.

Any institution that can be instrumentalist and submitted will be.

Though I don't blame FB PM's specifically - it's right there in the ethos: 'disrupt' and 'move fast / break things / do it ask for permission later'. Without any regard at all for social and cultural ideals, they just get completely uprooted in the search for whatever it is the objective is, in the case of FB, money.

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Post by shadowgovt »

pvaldes wrote: post #58
cabraca wrote: post #34

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I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

> I had to "confess" that I'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. So, basically inquisitor wannabees and pseudoscience cultists. Your colleague dodged a bullet. The idea that claiming that you are racist makes you not racist is totally gaga, random, and based in magical thinking, not in science. It only helps to hide in plain sight the real racists making much easier to admit…

The trainings I'm familiar with have the opposite intent: to help people who don't believe they are racists (or believe racism doesn't exist) understand the unconscious mental processes that feed into racism and the nature of structural discrimination, even when unintended.

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Post by ljm »

zozbot234 wrote: post #42
cabraca wrote: post #34

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I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

Is there any real proof that these diversity sessions actually help people work in diverse environments? The way you describe this, it reads like a really, really weird cargo cult where just confessing to one's supposed racism will somehow make you more open to people of differing backgrounds. How exactly does this help?

It sounds like someone took Alcoholics Anonymous, kept the bit where you admit you're an alcoholic, and then dropped the rest of it. Not that having the rest of it would be any better, but the whole thing sounds utterly regressive.

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Post by shadowgovt »

inanutshellus wrote: post #141
pvaldes wrote: post #58

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> I had to "confess" that I'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. So, basically inquisitor wannabees and pseudoscience cultists. Your colleague dodged a bullet. The idea that claiming that you are racist makes you not racist is totally gaga, random, and based in magical thinking, not in science. It only helps to hide in plain sight the real racists making much easier to admit…

He signed the document to stay at the institution. I wouldn't call it "dodging a bullet" I'd call it "securing his own yoke".

God forbid large firms employing people from diverse backgrounds require employees to take training on how to work with people from diverse backgrounds.

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Post by base698 »

clydethefrog wrote: post #225

Reminds me of the research NPR did before closing their comments section. >In July, NPR.org recorded nearly 33 million unique users, and 491,000 comments. But those comments came from just 19,400 commenters, Montgomery said. That's 0.06 percent of users who are commenting, a number that has stayed steady through 2016. https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2016/08/17/4895169...

Also knows as Pareto Principal and Matthew Effect

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect

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Post by monoideism »

username90 wrote: post #134
zozbot234 wrote: post #42

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Is there any real proof that these diversity sessions actually help people work in diverse environments? The way you describe this, it reads like a really, really weird cargo cult where just confessing to one's supposed racism will somehow make you more open to people of differing backgrounds. How exactly does this help?

No. But the goal isn't for it to work, the goal of the advocates is to bill a lot of money and the goal of the company is to virtue signal. https://hbr.org/2012/03/diversity-training-doesnt-work

> he goal of the advocates is to bill a lot of money and the goal of the company is to virtue signal.

You miss the biggest goal: for departments of diversity, inclusion, etc to gain more power and hires.

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Post by Udik »

snowwrestler wrote: post #234
zozbot234 wrote: post #42

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Is there any real proof that these diversity sessions actually help people work in diverse environments? The way you describe this, it reads like a really, really weird cargo cult where just confessing to one's supposed racism will somehow make you more open to people of differing backgrounds. How exactly does this help?

Not yet, but these are still pretty new to corporate environments. I've been in "harassment prevention" training sessions for years, but only within the last year sat through my first "diversity, equity, and inclusion" (DEI) training. (It was not an inquisition; quite helpful in the opinion of this middle aged white guy.) There is research that shows that companies with diverse leadership and staff financially outper…

> There is research that shows that companies with diverse leadership and staff financially outperform the average

Ah, that looks like a nice bit of marketing from McKinsey. Huge companies that work on global markets with clearly recognizable brands are naturally more diverse (sourcing people from all over the world) and also care about their public image enough to increase their diversity in management positions.

Of course this doesn't mean at all that by increasing diversity your performance will improve, the causal arrow goes in the opposite direction.

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Post by kofejnik »

shadowgovt wrote: post #274
pvaldes wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I had to "confess" that I'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. So, basically inquisitor wannabees and pseudoscience cultists. Your colleague dodged a bullet. The idea that claiming that you are racist makes you not racist is totally gaga, random, and based in magical thinking, not in science. It only helps to hide in plain sight the real racists making much easier to admit…

The trainings I'm familiar with have the opposite intent: to help people who don't believe they are racists (or believe racism doesn't exist) understand the unconscious mental processes that feed into racism and the nature of structural discrimination, even when unintended.

> understand the unconscious mental processes that feed into racism and the nature of structural discrimination, even when unintended.

I wonder how scientific this understanding is

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