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> (like we have for literally every single fatal illness) Smallpox. And if you consider within the borders of a given country, a dozen others (polio, measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox).
None of those are a common type of Flu, which we've never been able to cure, though.
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Considering all the excluded groups on the trial (page 3, kids, 55+, obese, weak immune system, a lot more), it's a lot of exclusions, how does one get from results on a study like this to declaring the vaccine safe for general use?
Extrapolation. Is there a scientific rationale as to why the vaccine would NOT be safe and effective in a new population? If not, approve it for that population. If there is rationale why it wouldn’t be, ask for more data.
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> What is the alternative? We create a government agency that specializes in manufacturing and distributing pharma products? Yes. Why don't you think that would work?
Because the government hasn't been able to do anything right for 270 years, why do you think they're suddenly gonna wake up a figure out mass manufacturing? We can't educate our kids at an acceptable level without billions of dollars being donated on top of all the tax collected, we can't figure out how to make medicare work responsibly despite literally being able to control costs, what do you think makes drug manuf…
worked just fine for penicillin during world war 2
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Considering all the excluded groups on the trial (page 3, kids, 55+, obese, weak immune system, a lot more), it's a lot of exclusions, how does one get from results on a study like this to declaring the vaccine safe for general use?
Maybe a stupid question, but do we need to vaccinate everyone? I remember reading that heard immunity is 70% or something - so could we get away with leaving the people out that it wasn’t tested on?
It varies by disease. Can anyone really say what the % is/would be for covid-19?
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Considering all the excluded groups on the trial (page 3, kids, 55+, obese, weak immune system, a lot more), it's a lot of exclusions, how does one get from results on a study like this to declaring the vaccine safe for general use?
Maybe a stupid question, but do we need to vaccinate everyone? I remember reading that heard immunity is 70% or something - so could we get away with leaving the people out that it wasn’t tested on?
Obviously "herd immunity" is more of a gradient than a cut-off, and it's much easier to approach it if we can vaccinate everyone, but we can definitely speed up the process (including the months-long process to even get the vaccines to everyone) if we can start vaccinating some people early.
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Are you given any monetary compensation or compensation at all for joining the trial?
From TFPDF: >You will be compensated for your time, the inconvenience of having blood tests and procedures, and your travel expenses. The total amount compensated will be approximately £235 - £625 depending on the exact number of visits and whether any repeat or additional visits are necessary.
They deliberately do not pay large amounts, because the money is not supposed to overly-incentivize the participation, to avoid ethical issues where someone might choose to participate in something very unsafe only because the reward seems so large.
I'm in the trial. Here's the participant information sheet, in case anyone's curious: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WB5QPmECchlThnem9wcX0PDaKQW...
Considering all the excluded groups on the trial (page 3, kids, 55+, obese, weak immune system, a lot more), it's a lot of exclusions, how does one get from results on a study like this to declaring the vaccine safe for general use?
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I guess that's the thing; the gov't is the one who made the decision to bring kids back fulltime, how incompetent do you have to be to not know there'd be a bump in testing demands? Re: Waterloo region, I work at Google Waterloo, so although I don't live in KW (I'm in rural Flamborough) most of my coworkers do. I had one who showed up at 7am to get a test, lineups were around several blocks and they shut the whole th…
Oh yeah, definitely. Can't help thinking of how much better things would likely be if we'd had a Horwath administration through this crisis. :(