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Will they be significant economies though? Gab and Epik are mostly about culture wars and conspiracy theories. How many people are actively involved in those?
The history of explosive growth in tech platforms should make us very cautious about assuming small economies will stay small. It's been barely a decade since Facebook and Twitter were small platforms that didn't matter.
If some of y'all put the time you spent into defending white supremacists and hate platforms in the name of free speech or independent thought instead into achieving a more just, anti-racist society we'd all be so much better off.
Unfortunately, the self-styled "anti-racists" of today are giving me a tough time convincing actual Neonazis that there isn't some sort jewish marxist conspiracy out there to censor them.
This is good news, but I suspect the "censorship cancel culture" crowd will be chiming in soon.
You say that now, but if the political winds change in future and progressive ideals and orgs are then labeled "hate speech", promoting violence, I suspect there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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It is disingenuous to conflate "banned from private companies" with "banned from public utilities". They're vastly different on a legal level.
Yes, they are vastly different on a legal level. Still, I think the parent comment's analogy is very valid. AFAIK I don't know any instances of, say, car companies refusing to sell a car to the KKK or some other neo-Nazi group, and I think a lot of people would be very uneasy if all your purchases, even from private companies, were vetted based on your political ideology. To clarify, I don't think that's what's happe…
Okay. Did you limit your research to car companies? Private businesses can and do deny service to the KKK.
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> [They] did the same for Antifa though, so at least they are somewhat consistent. I don't think this is a coherent statement. Antifa isn't an organization. The Proud Boys definitely is. If you're not familiar with the Proud Boys, this is a good introductory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMWQDvZQZs
> Antifa isn't an organization. They have spokes people, a uniform, unified political beliefs, and meet through organised events. I suspect the only reason they claim not to be an organisation is because they don't want to be label a terror organisation. Either way, how they choose to organise should be completely irrelevant here. If Antifa decided they were an organisation tomorrow and The Proud Boys put out a state…
I suspect it's because there is no "they". All the antifa-in-the-name orgs are just loosely connected groups that espouse similar ideology.
There is no Gavin or Enrique for "antifa".
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> [They] did the same for Antifa though, so at least they are somewhat consistent. I don't think this is a coherent statement. Antifa isn't an organization. The Proud Boys definitely is. If you're not familiar with the Proud Boys, this is a good introductory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMWQDvZQZs
> Antifa isn't an organization. They have spokes people, a uniform, unified political beliefs, and meet through organised events. I suspect the only reason they claim not to be an organisation is because they don't want to be label a terror organisation. Either way, how they choose to organise should be completely irrelevant here. If Antifa decided they were an organisation tomorrow and The Proud Boys put out a state…
No, they don't. As with many extreme movements, people calling themselves Antifa are a group of people of similar but nevertheless disparate outlooks, united through the principle of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Were Antifa to prevail over their ideological adversaries, one could expect them to then immediately descend into savage infighting, just like most other historical revolutions have.
Nor would a uniform mean that there is a united organization. Within the world of splintered Marxist parties, there is a long tradition of different groups maintaining the same aesthetic style, while nevertheless branding each other as heretical and not real communists.
If some of y'all put the time you spent into defending white supremacists and hate platforms in the name of free speech or independent thought instead into achieving a more just, anti-racist society we'd all be so much better off.
> If some of y'all put the time you spent into defending white supremacists and hate platforms And how do you define this? Have you ever once considered you could be wrong and they could be right? The freedom of speech is the freedom to disagree. It's the freedom to talk about things we know are unorthodox and offensive, and not fear prosecution from our government (In the context of US/constitution speech). At one t…
You can clearly define and enshrine intolerance based on immutable physical characteristics into speech laws, as many countries have done (Canada, Germany, etc).
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How does this analogy work? As I understand it, the reason a physical business would ban someone engaging in the behaviour you described is that it would create costly first-order work for the business (cleaning up) and result in a second-order loss of profits due to deterring other customers until the cleanup is complete. Does anything of the sort apply in the case of politically questionable entities using a near-m…
Providing services to groups like this can be a PR disaster far more revenue-impacting than having to mop a floor.
no one is going to stop using those platforms...
In the coming years, we may see the rise of separate economies based on political divide. I think this is where we are heading, and this will counterpart the world splitting the internet into nationally divided fragments.
This may or may not have been a political move, but the theme of certain partisans celebrating when their perceived enemies are deplatformed is disturbing, especially given the parallel phenomenon of politically inconvenient stories being termed "Russian disinformation" that's our societal imperative to suppress. It shouldn't require too much of your imagination to wonder if one day you will be on the wrong end of th…
Also this is far from corporate shunning, these are deeply socially unacceptable positions too. PayPal already has a long list of things it deems unacceptable. When I worked for an artist community that had an NSFW section we got weekly threats from PayPal compliance, I don't think sites like Patreon fare much better there. I don't see how this is special. Getting banned from PayPal is far, FAR away from "being shunned by all corporations".