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If some of y'all put the time you spent into defending white supremacists and hate platforms in the name of free speech or independent thought instead into achieving a more just, anti-racist society we'd all be so much better off.
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It is disingenuous to conflate "banned from private companies" with "banned from public utilities". They're vastly different on a legal level.
There is a strong argument that a lot of currently private companies ought to be reclassified as public utilities. Like ISPs, for example.
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So, if you go to some business and shit on the floor, maybe we can ban you from the business, the roads that reach said business, ban you from public transportation, ban you for owning a car, bicycle, motorcycle and maybe ban you from owning property. That will show you!
It is disingenuous to conflate "banned from private companies" with "banned from public utilities". They're vastly different on a legal level.
AFAIK I don't know any instances of, say, car companies refusing to sell a car to the KKK or some other neo-Nazi group, and I think a lot of people would be very uneasy if all your purchases, even from private companies, were vetted based on your political ideology. To clarify, I don't think that's what's happening in this instance (as others have noted this looks like a set of pretty standard KYC questions), but I think it's very fair to ask why we think certain company behaviors that would be pretty unacceptable in the physical world should be acceptable in the online world.
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The Proud Boys are not white supremacists. “Anti-racist” is brand of explicit racial discrimination dressed up as civil rights activism. And no, "we" would not "all be so much better off" for having licked Kendi's boot instead of upholding the sanctity of basic civil rights that enable the very activism (good or bad) that you're talking about.
> The Proud Boys are not white supremacists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
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That's because many of us consider freedom of speech to be more important than anti-racism for the simple reason that without freedom of speech, you lose everything, including anti-racism and all the rest.
That's not true at all. Canada has both strong anti-hate-speech laws and a far lesser (though still existant) problem with racism and racial justice overall than the US. Freedom of speech always has limits.
[0]: https://podtail.com/pt-BR/podcast/wrongspeak/-10-that-s-not-...
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That's because many of us consider freedom of speech to be more important than anti-racism for the simple reason that without freedom of speech, you lose everything, including anti-racism and all the rest.
That's not true at all. Canada has both strong anti-hate-speech laws and a far lesser (though still existant) problem with racism and racial justice overall than the US. Freedom of speech always has limits.
Canada also has far less "visible minorities" than USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_origins_of_people_in_Ca...
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> The Proud Boys are not white supremacists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
If you're referring to the sentence containing “several members have been affiliated with white supremacy”, it kinda doesn't jive with the fact that their highest leadership position is filled by an afro-cuban man, and the fact that there is no official or de-facto-official Proud Boys public communication of anything regarding white supremacy other than condemnation of it, nor any official or sanctioned actions taken…
To be clear: the domain registrar has been cut off. I doubt that Paypal is going to be consistent about this; _I suspect that_ illegal content and hate sites can be found in the registries of many major registrars. Still, it's a concerning development for anyone who may be using the same registration service as a future target. Edit: I missed that they are alleged to be laundering money.
They got cut off because they’re suspected to be laundering money, and couldn’t fill out AML forms, not because they host hate speech.
That is indeed a dumb move on their part.
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There is a strong argument that a lot of currently private companies ought to be reclassified as public utilities. Like ISPs, for example.
Nationalizing Cloudflare seems like a bigger Constitutional crisis than private organizations choosing not to do business with the Proud Boys.
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The history of explosive growth in tech platforms should make us very cautious about assuming small economies will stay small. It's been barely a decade since Facebook and Twitter were small platforms that didn't matter.
A decade ago Facebook and Twitter were small in a nascent industry.