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L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by dubcanada »

sokoloff wrote: post #22
meed2000 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suing you to the extent of having to pay back whatever your father passed on to you, at least what's left of it would be reasonable, don't you think?

No, I do not. If my grandfather left my father $X, my father left me $Y, at the very most the maximum would have to be the lesser of $X and $Y, decremented by the full cost of answering the lawsuit. This is problematic from a variety of practical angles, though, not just mathematical ones. It seems like something the forensic accounting lobby would salivate over. Should I be forced to defend a lawsuit because my grea…

But if you grandfather lost all of $X, your father would not have any of $Y (based entirely on $X being an amount they got from business dealings and $Y being a smaller amount which came from $X).

Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by [deleted] »

sokoloff wrote: post #11
dusted wrote: post #2

It's amazing how little some people have cared, this was not that they didn't know, they certainly knew, otherwise, it'd not have resorted to hiding the stuff by dumping it into the sea.. It'd not be unreasonable to hunt down those responsible, and make them pay for cleaning it up. Sure, they're probably dead by now, but they probably left a lot of money. I don't think it's even relevant that "it was not illegal at t…

He didn’t, but suppose my grandfather legally (or even semi-legally) disposed of some DDT and left my father some money. My father later me some money. What’s the legal process to claw some of that money back to pay for the cleanup? Do you or the state have standing to sue me for something I never did, knew nothing about, and can’t reasonably answer to any specifics about?

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Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by refurb »

1propionyl wrote: post #17
faitswulff wrote: post #9

> “We found actual photos of the workers at 2 in the morning dumping — not only dumping barrels off of the barges in the middle of the Santa Monica Basin,” he said, “but before they would dump the barrels, they would take a big ax or hatchet to them, and cut them open on purpose so they would sink.” Incredible.

See? This is why we don't need environmental regulations. The market will regulate itself if externalities are properly priced in! (Just pay no mind to how those externalities might be systematically priced and how penalties might be retroactively enforced. If you do you're a freedom-hating socialist!)

That's a silly comment considering it was the gov't who has done a shit-ton of ocean dumping in the past (not this case, but others).

Who will regulate the government?

Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by LittlePeter »

gattilorenz wrote: post #27
LittlePeter wrote: post #18

I was waiting for the DDT acronym to be explained, but no. IMHO no matter how obvious an acronym may be, it should be explained, something like "DDT (D... D... T...) is highly dangerous". Apparently: "Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, commonly known as DDT, is a colorless, tasteless, and almost odorless crystalline chemical compound, an organochlorine." edit: added explanation

To be honest, DDT is like "IBM". It might mean "International Business Machines", but many people wouldn't immediately recognize it unless the acronym is used (while the opposite is true: if you know what the acronym stands for, you usually know the acronym as well). And I'm sure Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane wouldn't add much for most people that read a newspaper :)

Even from the context, it was not clear to me what DDT was. I suspected it was some chemical. I would have appreciated a sentence or two explaining why it is bad and what it does.

What IBM is would typically be clear from the context: "IBM reported record loss in 2nd quarter of 2020".

Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by NeutronStar »

darkcha0s wrote: post #25
meed2000 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suing you to the extent of having to pay back whatever your father passed on to you, at least what's left of it would be reasonable, don't you think?

Yes let us just start collective punishment, because we have such a justice boner. Jesus christ, sometimes HN has some wild opinions. Just to be absolutely clear -- it's not reasonable, and what you're suggesting is literally how North Korea handles crime. "Oh but you know here it's different" -- you're setting a precedent which, if allowed, would mean your family members could face jail time for crimes YOU commit.

How is this different than if you've gotten money from criminal adventures? Why is it because your grand parent left you money from his criminality it's now legally yours?

Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by sokoloff »

dubcanada wrote: post #31
sokoloff wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I do not. If my grandfather left my father $X, my father left me $Y, at the very most the maximum would have to be the lesser of $X and $Y, decremented by the full cost of answering the lawsuit. This is problematic from a variety of practical angles, though, not just mathematical ones. It seems like something the forensic accounting lobby would salivate over. Should I be forced to defend a lawsuit because my grea…

But if you grandfather lost all of $X, your father would not have any of $Y (based entirely on $X being an amount they got from business dealings and $Y being a smaller amount which came from $X).

That strikes me as non-sensical.

My father had his own earning, creating, and saving abilities.

Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by antonvs »

darkcha0s wrote: post #25
meed2000 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suing you to the extent of having to pay back whatever your father passed on to you, at least what's left of it would be reasonable, don't you think?

Yes let us just start collective punishment, because we have such a justice boner. Jesus christ, sometimes HN has some wild opinions. Just to be absolutely clear -- it's not reasonable, and what you're suggesting is literally how North Korea handles crime. "Oh but you know here it's different" -- you're setting a precedent which, if allowed, would mean your family members could face jail time for crimes YOU commit.

If your inheritance was the result of a bank robbery, do you still think it should be untouchable?

You're being very emotional about what seems like a pretty clear case of recovering ill-gotten gains.

Re: L.A.'s coast was once a DDT dumping ground, but no one could see it until now

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Post by Craighead »

darkcha0s wrote: post #25
meed2000 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suing you to the extent of having to pay back whatever your father passed on to you, at least what's left of it would be reasonable, don't you think?

Yes let us just start collective punishment, because we have such a justice boner. Jesus christ, sometimes HN has some wild opinions. Just to be absolutely clear -- it's not reasonable, and what you're suggesting is literally how North Korea handles crime. "Oh but you know here it's different" -- you're setting a precedent which, if allowed, would mean your family members could face jail time for crimes YOU commit.

Yes, instead of collectively punishing direct recipients of ill gotten gains, lets just punish the whole planet, and collectively punish everyone who has their taxes go up and their quality of living go down.

Jesus Christ, sometimes people have some really ridiculous reasonings for their apathetic understanding of the world.

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